I'd think so? Doesn't the pd150 have fmic as standard as well?

not really, this is the same kind of turbo the op wants, if not the same.

No need to run a FMIC if you dont want. I ran mine and got this sort of power without one.

Mine had a map on already, upgraded turbos for £250 and had a map update for free.

Cheapest way to get that bit extra power

PD160 has a FMIC as standard, why's it there if the regular SMIC is all good?

PD160 has a FMIC as standard, why's it there if the regular SMIC is all good?

I was not questioning the PD160 was i?

I wouldn't fit a fmic either for daily use. If it was getting thrashed on track then yes I would.

Fmic is required for 100% driving fun

I could regularly soak my smic at a measly 173bhp.... I got one fast run and then nothing!! Slow as a week in jail

Edited 17 January, 201214 yr by BigJase88

My post seems to be confused

"no need to run an FMIC if you dont want to"

Which is telling the OP that if he fits a PD150 turbo to his car and maps it, it will work, which it will

The PD150 does not require an FMIC to physically work, and if he wanted to run it using his SMIC, as i did, this is possible.

An FMIC at some stage would be preferable, but is not essential

My post seems to be confused

"no need to run an FMIC if you dont want to"

Which is telling the OP that if he fits a PD150 turbo to his car and maps it, it will work, which it will

The PD150 does not require an FMIC to physically work, and if he wanted to run it using his SMIC, as i did, this is possible.

An FMIC at some stage would be preferable, but is not essential

indeed i run my pd150 with a normal smic for months and was fine, its only on the rolling road and heavy 5th and 6th motorway pulls consistantly that you will notice a drop in power, and obviously track days if you did them

indeed i run my pd150 with a normal smic for months and was fine, its only on the rolling road and heavy 5th and 6th motorway pulls consistantly that you will notice a drop in power, and obviously track days if you did them

Yep good point there Trevor, and i believe yours made over 200bhp did it not?

Obviously on track days the cooler becomes a problem, but for normal road use its fine

Yep good point there Trevor, and i believe yours made over 200bhp did it not?

Obviously on track days the cooler becomes a problem, but for normal road use its fine

205 on amds rollers then next run immediately dropped 10bhp im sure if they did more then two runs it would have dropped again

Well im having that FMIC from the group buy, so that wont be a prob

Unit 18 judt quoted me 2000 for the PD150 and 1800 for the 130, lol.... and you thought Jabba was a exspensive quote

No I quoted you for hybrids and fitting inc custom mapping, I'm pretty sure I itemised the quote for you, if you want price matching or like for like quotes them you must specify, please don't just make assumptions thank you, pd150 non hybrid comes in about £500 cheaper than the turbo I quotes you for, iirc the jabba package you talk about isn't a hybrid

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I would purchase a pd150 turbo, send it to one of the turbo companies, get it 'hybridised' and then fit it and map it, no point going for a 150 if u don't hybrid it IMO, there is more lag than with the 130, but if you had a hybrid 150 I feel this would counter that slightlyr. Plus it's only about another 400/500 on top of the prices I said in the previous post.

Speak to Ryan at darkside developments. He's good at sourcing pd150 units. He's even got one now

The above sounds a good idea. If I was spending the money you quoted then I'd pay a bit extra and go down the GTB2260 route as this is around 2k and good for a lot more power than the hybrid 150, plus it's hardly been done but can be an easy fit I was going to go down that route before I sold the car

The above sounds a good idea. If I was spending the money you quoted then I'd pay a bit extra and go down the GTB2260 route as this is around 2k and good for a lot more power than the hybrid 150, plus it's hardly been done but can be an easy fit I was going to go down that route before I sold the car

that's 2K plus fitting & mapping and you'll possibly need the exhaust sorting as the downpipe reduces from 3 to 2.5 inches which is bigger than the standard exhaust. but it is the future, hybrids are done

that's 2K plus fitting & mapping and you'll possibly need the exhaust sorting as the downpipe reduces from 3 to 2.5 inches which is bigger than the standard exhaust. but it is the future, hybrids are done

Yes this is a point, but the price you pay for a slight upgrade in power to a hybrid compared with doing this has to be worth it. If you can save the money for the hybrid, surely you would just save some more and wait for this instead. That would be the sensible idea id say i wish i could have done that with mine.

As you say, Hybrids are overdone, and with this option available they make less sense

you don't even have to go 2260, you could fit a GTB1756VK and have similar power to a hybrid VNT17 but better spool and a future upgrade path in the future as the 2260 would be a straight swap

Agree. I like the sound of the gtb17 because of the reduced lag. Ok it might not be a big leap over a gt1749vb hybrid but it's a stock turbo.

I really like the idea of the GTB turbos. Though it's not as simple as just picking up a GTB unit and fitting it if yours happens to blow up. Or if you want to upgrade from a 1756VK to a 2056VK or 2260VK. OEM GTB turbos run an electronic VNT actuator. Darkside modify them, fitting a vacuum actuator in its place.

IMO though, Ryan's kits don't offer much granularity on price. I think there's scope for a budget 1756 build without going to a tubular manifold. On the other end, an all-in build for the 2260 would include injectors and an FMIC. Maybe what's needed are other operations offering these services based on Darkside's modified turbos or turbo kits.

J.

You can use older 8v manifolds with a bit of welding. Yes the turbo needs converting to vacuum actuator. You will also have to make sure the turbo intake pipe is lighted up or altered to fit. Oh and a new or modified down pipe.

You can use older 8v manifolds with a bit of welding. Yes the turbo needs converting to vacuum actuator. You will also have to make sure the turbo intake pipe is lighted up or altered to fit. Oh and a new or modified down pipe.

What older 8v manifolds? I'm aware of the band saw and welding method using a knackered KKK or garrett 1749 as the donor.

What's "lighting up" the TIP?

J.

Lol. Stupid phoned. Aligned I meant.

The mk3 golf td manifolds can be used. Well that's what the people in the US use.