After much fighting with Skoda UK about the appalling fuel consumption on my Monty Carlo 1.2 tsi 105 I have now given up and will be saying good bye to Skoda.

Having problems with Skoda UK over my last 2 Octavia VRS's with the rear tyres wearing out in 6000 miles due to a design fault with the rear chamber geometry, I am now fed up with the appalling customer service from Skoda UK so will be moving to a Ford Fiesta as soon as I can find someone who will give me a haft decent trade in on the monte.

Allthough I am going to another manufacture I will still be keeping an eye on this forum from time to time as its the best car forum out there, shame Skoda's customer service isn't as good as this forum. Bye for now and hope all goes well with you Fabia owners.

Edited 17 January, 201214 yr by Vrs2

Hang on for the new ST.

It's surely to be a cracker

my 1.2 tsi 86ps i was getting 37mpg from new now 8500 miles later 48mpg around town

Sorry to hear you are going Vrs2. Let us know what you eventually end up getting and how it is going compared to your 1.2TSI. We all want to keep in touch with you. Good luck mon amie!

my 1.2 tsi 86ps i was getting 37mpg from new now 8500 miles later 48mpg around town

I would dream of 48mpg, not even on a long open road doing a constant 50mph could I get that, more like 41mpg and that's going down hill, and mine have coverd over 10,000 miles now.

Sorry to hear you are going Vrs2. Let us know what you eventually end up getting and how it is going compared to your 1.2TSI. We all want to keep in touch with you. Good luck mon amie!

Many thanks Estate Man for the kind words and indeed I will keep you up to date on what I end up with.

stay on the forum, you would even be welcome at the meets in another car note; I can get 45 average from my vRS and 50+ if I try!

good look with new car. but what mpg would you get out a ford fiesta

good look with new car. but what mpg would you get out a ford fiesta

I have tried 2 1.6 zetec S with 120bhp and both seemed a lot better than my Fabia , managing 44mpg with some spritely driving and it was not even ran in with only 800 miles on the clock.

Sharkrider thanks a lot and 45 mpg from the Vrs is great and I really should have brought the Vrs as I have missed the performance but needed a car that had good mpg and still a bit sporty to boot. How wrong I was.

Edited 17 January, 201214 yr by Vrs2

It's madness the amount of deviation in economy across supposedly identical engines.

From the day I had my 105tsi Monte it consistantly returned 45mpg going to work and 49mpg on the journey home (short journey). I was delighted as I had a very uneconomical 1.2HTP Skoda previously and really struggled to get 40mpg out of it, so I understand completely how you feel.

Good luck searching for your replacement.

I had the misfortune to have one of the current new Fiestas' - Titanium

Brought it for the wife and I can say with any doubt it was the biggest disappointment we have ever had.

The build quality is well below par and it is engineered down to the lowest cost level.

I could go on and on, but it would only bring back so many bad memories.

If you think you have had bad service from Skoda - boy you're in for a big surprise .

Surely even bad fuel economy alone can not justify the cost of changing a relatively new car? All the best with whatever you end up in and keep us posted.

It's madness the amount of deviation in economy across supposedly identical engines.

From the day I had my 105tsi Monte it consistantly returned 45mpg going to work and 49mpg on the journey home (short journey). I was delighted as I had a very uneconomical 1.2HTP Skoda previously and really struggled to get 40mpg out of it, so I understand completely how you feel.

Good luck searching for your replacement.

Yes it is very frustrating when you get a bad car and all skoda can say is the mpg figures are only a guild and are not to be taken to seriously and anyway they are not our figures but ones carried out by some Euro idiots.

Today I had a last ditched effort to prove my poor mpg to Skoda UK so me and my local dealer ran a little experiment with my car and a Octavia estate 1.8 tsi 160 bhp, with me in the octavia and the dealer manager in my fabia we set off on a 11 mile trip together doing the same speed and driving on the economical side along a dual carrageway and some A roads. We keeped to 70 mph on the dual and 40/50mph on the A roads with no traffic or town driving. These are the results.

Fabia was ran from a hot start with over inflated tyres 38psi and 99 octane fuel.

Trip mpg 40.3 mpg

Some 13 mpg of the combined cycle.

Octavia was ran from frosty cold with normal tyre pressures and 95 octane fuel.

Trip mpg 37.4 mpg

Only 3 mpg of the combined cycle.

My dealer agreed if the octavia had been warmed up like the fabia it probably would of matched the fabias figures or even bettered them, 11 miles on a freezing cold engine is never going to return great mpg.

Skoda Uk said that this was not a fair comparison and doesn't prove anything. What a car that is a lot more powerful and a lot heavier achieving the same results ( Total Bull****)

that seems conclusive to me.... specifically with the hot/cold engine added in... wish skoda UK would listen to this and help you out :( the figures I put on the vRS were HOT figures.. from cold, i would never expect more than 35 mpg....

could you not try and test like for like ?

sorry to hear all the problems, and sorry your going.

I cant get more than 33 mpg out of my vRS although i dont use it that much and its done 3,500 miles in 11 months, although i do like the car - and have no issues living with the mpg with all signals are that it does get better with age.

I came from a Mazda RX8 which did 17 mpg so anything than thats better !

However My dad has a golf 1.4 TSI 160 bhp and he was promised mid to late 40's on the MPG scale and struggles to get much more than 40 mpg. Had it looked at by a VW guy over from Wolfsburg and basically was fobbed off with some flannel and given a free service to stop him moaning.

It appears under 'perfect conditions' VW group cars can get to the MPG figures stated but in real life they are in general 25% under the acclaimed mpg figures in a lot of cases.

Anyway, ramble over, do keep in touch.

could you not try and test like for like ?

I intended to do this but my dealer has only got 1 fabia TSI but its an 86bhp and out on long term loan at the moment, so we chose the Octavia as it had a lot more power and was heavier with a 40mpg combined cycle.

Lets face it, even if I could find an identical car to mine, Monte Carlo 105 TSI with 10,000 mile on the clock, Skoda would always come up with some old bull why they are different. One thing i have come to realise is that the so called

technical people at Skoda customer service have less technical skills than my dog.

One man tried to tell me my poor mpg was due to my car having a DPF filter as if that makes it ok anyway, when I told him petrol cars do not have DPF filters thats why the are called a (Diesel particular Filter) he was most put out and didn't really

believe me, this man was one of their Tech guys as well. The trouble is today that people working in the car industry don't have the skills of old and rely on a computer to tell them if the car is running ok, but in the real world what the computer can pick up are only the components attached to the engine i.e. injectors temp sensors, EGR valve and so on. What it will not tell you is a frictional problem within the engine or gearbox and trying to tell them this is very painful

as they just keep going back to the computer says yes statement.

The thing is with any moving mechanical parts are the + and - tolerances of each component, if 2 parts at the upper end of the limits are placed together, the frictional effort these parts will require to move smoothly together will of course be higher than parts with +&- limits at each end. As a mechanical engineer that has made precision tooling for the likes of Monroe,Ford and Volvo and SKF I do know a little bit about engines and alike, the + and - tolerance in any engine are responsible for the amount of friction your engine will produce, that is why an F1 race engine with be hand built and the tolerances match perfectly. This is also why every Fabia VRS say will produce different BHP figures if placed on a rolling road, it has precious little to do with sensors and alike and the smaller the frictional effort of the engine and gearbox the more bhp and mpg your car will produce.

Of course Skoda will know this all to well but when it comes to replacing engines or gearboxes at great cost to themselves then the computer says yes statement will be used time and time again until you are fed up to the back teeth with it and walk away. It will be a refreshing day when one car manufacture starts to uphold their warranty no matter what the problem is and how much it's going to cost them, the trouble is things like engines and gearboxes are made by Skoda themselves and are not outsourced, so the cost comes out of Skoda's pockets and not passed on to some supplier.

Rant over for now.

Edited 18 January, 201214 yr by Vrs2

Sorry your leaving the fold, understanding your fury ! Very poor mpg I've got 2 diesels cr and pd and the pd is the one I prefer, but I get good mpg from both 60 ish but not sure if I'd buy another skoda though time will tell

stay on the forum, you would even be welcome at the meets in another car note; I can get 45 average from my vRS and 50+ if I try!

How the F**K can you get 45 average i only get 33-35 average 40-42 if i try :(

Good luck Vrs2, if i was you get the new Ford fiesta zetec metal hmmmmmmmm

stay on the forum, you would even be welcome at the meets in another car note; I can get 45 average from my vRS and 50+ if I try!

Yeah but everyone knows you drive like a pussy

How the F**K can you get 45 average i only get 33-35 average 40-42 if i try :(

easy.... bear in mind my car has done 24,000 miles, so is run in, I wasnt getting figures like that until it had done at least 10k... every time on my (usual)drive to work... 12 miles, mixture of back roads and fast a-roads, driving at the speed limits, 45mpg average... on a recent drive (not my usual place of work) about 8 miles away, I was early, so really tried for economy...

(you know how right? don't be afraid to use strong acceleration, an engine is at its most efficient on full throttle, and DONT BRAKE.. look ahead well, back off early... you can back off much earlier than you think and still carry good speed up to a roundabout, where most people will simply drive up and brake.. assuming I dont have to stop i wont brake for roundaboubouts ect.. when on ovverun, the ECU will cut fuel supply to the engine, so no fuel is being used... you can use the paddles for engine braking if needed... also.. every time you press the brake you are decelrating and wasting the fuel you used to get up to speed in the first place... most people are reactive drivers, reacting to what happens to them, if you can look ahead enough, and plan ahead, you can be proactive, and inprove the tecnique, for example on the back road from my village to the main A-road, I follow people [and nearly everyone does this] who will speed up on the straight bits and brake into evry single bend! I dont brake into any of the bends, I simply back off earlier.. note: I still arrive at the main road behind them, this method does not effect your overall journey time..)

and I managed to get 52mpg.. again driving at spee limits, and I didnt hold anyone up...

Yeah but everyone knows you drive like a pussy

PMSL.... yeah... most of the time I just cant be bothered with all the above and end up getting 32 mpg, because I'm pretending to be a rally driver! (or forgetting I not longer have blue lights on when comming home from work )

Sorry for the F word, just amazed at the figures. Hmm I've just hit 8000 miles so should be seeing some improvement right ?

Yeah when I do the "eco" driving from work and back I get 36 MPG which is a 12 mile stint like yours

it will improve with miles I dont have any stop start town drivivng in my commute either, if you do, that will hurt it....

I can get 45 average from my vRS and 50+ if I try!

But not if it's driven like a VRS

But not if it's driven like a VRS

lol, nope, on my way to work I drive gently, on my way home I drive it like a vRS then I get 32 mpg lol