A/S Performance seemed to think there was DS2500's for the vRS. Although I am getting rid of my car' date=' so there seems little point in me pursuing it further...

The calipers may be a puny design, but for me they only struggle at very silly speeds anyway... and I think its something a high performance pad could solve.

Honestly, you lot are all speculating... how do you know it wouldnt make much difference? I dont agree.

Also, there are several disadvantages to the 312 brakes - it will invalidate the warranty on your brakes, if thats important to you. Also, its more unsprung weight, so potentially decreasing the performance of your car.

Each to their own though, I never said I didnt think the 312 conversion is good or that it wasnt worth the money - I am sure it is, but not everyone wants it or needs it.[/quote']

I too thought there was a performance pad for the vRS - I was just put off by the cost (and repeat cost when they need changing in the future) compared with the 312mm conversion. Plus I did find on the standard setup, it has a distinct lack of feel - the brakes will stop the car fairly well from most speeds, but you have a hard time knowing how hard you can use them from the pedal feel - it's just too vague. Plus I found braking from motorway speed to be pretty poor - every day coming back from work I have a slip road off the A1 that is short and has a 90 degree turn at the end, and the standard brakes are not confidence-inspiring for this...

How different they would be with performance pads I don't know, but the fact remains that due to bigger discs and better caliper design, the 312mm setup on standard discs and pads is negligibly more expensive for your first set of pads, cheaper by the time you've got through two sets, and better than anything you could fit on the standard discs and calipers. Weight difference is minimal and performance gains are vast. If you're that bothered about a pound or two, you could always do the same conversion with Wilwood or Brembo billet 4 pots or 6 pots, and it'd only cost you a grand or two... :eek:

Each to their own as you say, but I know where my money would go

I too thought there was a performance pad for the vRS - I was just put off by the cost (and repeat cost when they need changing in the future) compared with the 312mm conversion. Plus I did find on the standard setup, it has a distinct lack of feel - the brakes will stop the car fairly well from most speeds, but you have a hard time knowing how hard you can use them from the pedal feel - it's just too vague. Plus I found braking from motorway speed to be pretty poor - every day coming back from work I have a slip road off the A1 that is short and has a 90 degree turn at the end, and the standard brakes are not confidence-inspiring for this...

AFAIK, the cost is barely any more than the OEM pads anyway - I heard the OEM pads are about

performance friction pads are good too just for the light show they give you with the sparks

AFAIK, the cost is barely any more than the OEM pads anyway - I heard the OEM pads are about

I think you're right about the OEM pads. But that's a case for not buying OEM pads at all - you can buy greenstuff pads for about

i would never use dot 5.1 only super dot 4

Talking about brakes, has anyone else noticed that all Pheasants in Britain seem to have decided to commit suicide...or am i just having a bad week.

If you go somewhere to eat and its new on the menu i would think twice.

i would never use dot 5.1 only super dot 4

How come? I know the castrol response stuff is good, I have used it before, but why not 5.1?

There are always different ways of doing things, but generally speaking, the limiting factor is budget. The point I was getting at is that although the initial outlay is marginally higher for what is considered the "best" option, in the long run people who opt for the "cheaper" DS2500s may end up paying more as it costs them

I'd be interested to see some test results to determine which would be better: 312 + std Ferrodo or 288 + DS2500. I dont think there'd be much in it personally... and many people will inevitably choose DS2500 pads for the 312's anyway.

I cant really understand why they did not put the bigger discs and calipers on in the first place' date=' there cant be all that much difference in price... especially if the Furby uses esoteric calipers that no other VAG car uses.[/quote']

Yes, very weird that they spent extra money developing a unique part that is inferior to the parts they already had to hand - can only assume the Furby caliper is cheaper to produce and in the long run they thought they'd save themselves a few quid.

And yes, I'm sure some people will go for 312mm plus DS2500. But then your are talking silly money and TBH unless you're going racing it's a pretty big layout. The standard discs and pads in 312mm size work well from cold for regular and fast road driving, I'd reckon unless you spend every weekend tearing round the track or drive your car around town like a complete tool to keep the temp up, the 2500s might not be all that practical :confused:

jut

dot 5.1 is more hydroscopic than dot 4 it absorbs more water from the atmosphere so it needs bleeding very often and flushedmore than dot 4

that means that braking performance will be good for a few k then will go all ****ty

where as dot 4 stays good for longer

also

it has a higher dry and wet boil point than dot 5.1

this is castrols super dot 4

Response Super DOT 4

________________________________________________________________________________

Synthetic Brake Fluid

DESCRIPTION

Castrol Response Super DOT 4 is a high boiling synthetic brake fluid which far exceeds the requirements of the SAE J1703, FMVSS 116 DOT 3 and 4, ISO 4925 and JIS K2233 specifications. Castrol Response Super DOT 4 Brake Fluid is designed for use in all brake systems particularly those which are exposed to extreme conditions. This product has been formulated from mixed polyalkylene glycol ethers and borate ester together with other high performance additives and inhibitors which give ultimate system protection against the effects of corrosion and high temperature vapour lock.

APPLICATION

Castrol Response Super DOT 4 has been specifically designed to be a high temperature alternative to DOT 5.1 fluids. Its superior characteristics give added benefit in situations where extreme conditions are encountered and ultimate braking response required. Castrol Response Super DOT 4 is based on glycol ether and borate ester technology and as such has a high vapour lock point (measurement relating to high temperature performance under braking conditions). Because of the nature of this formulation, the vapour lock point can be sustained at a higher level than conventional glycol ether based fluids during the service life of the product . Castrol Response Super DOT 4 should not be used in braking systems for which a mineral oil based fluid is recommended (for example, some Citroen systems, for which Castrol Response LHM is suitable and Rolls Royce systems, for which Castrol HSMO Plus is approved). As with all brake fluids which contain glycol ethers, care should be taken to avoid spilling this product on paintwork, as it may have a damaging effect. In case of spillage, rinse the affected area with water immediately: Do not wipe. It is fully compatible with other fluids meeting FMVSS 116 DOT 3, DOT 4 and DOT 5.1 however, in order to maintain the superior performance characteristics of Castrol Response Super DOT 4 avoid mixing with other brake fluid products.

All conventional brake fluids deteriorate during use.

It is strongly recommended that Castrol Response Super DOT 4 should be changed according to the vehicle manufacturers advice. In the absence of such advice, a 2 year change period is recommended.

________________________________________________________________________________

PERFORMANCE

SAE J1703 (Current)

ISO 4925

FMVSS 116 DOT 3 & DOT 4

JIS K 2233

TYPICAL CHARACTERISTICS

Dry Boiling Point

And yes, I'm sure some people will go for 312mm plus DS2500. But then your are talking silly money and TBH unless you're going racing it's a pretty big layout. The standard discs and pads in 312mm size work well from cold for regular and fast road driving, I'd reckon unless you spend every weekend tearing round the track or drive your car around town like a complete tool to keep the temp up, the 2500s might not be all that practical :confused:

Strange thing is, I've spoke to a few Octy vRS owners who report similar problems with their brakes using standard pads as Fabia vRS owners... which is what originally led me to believe that the pads were actually the weakest link...

jut

dot 5.1 is more hydroscopic than dot 4 it absorbs more water from the atmosphere so it needs bleeding very often and flushedmore than dot 4

that means that braking performance will be good for a few k then will go all ****ty

where as dot 4 stays good for longer

also

it has a higher dry and wet boil point than dot 5.1

this is castrols super dot 4

Response Super DOT 4

________________________________________________________________________________

Synthetic Brake Fluid

DESCRIPTION

Castrol Response Super DOT 4 is a high boiling synthetic brake fluid which far exceeds the requirements of the SAE J1703, FMVSS 116 DOT 3 and 4, ISO 4925 and JIS K2233 specifications. Castrol Response Super DOT 4 Brake Fluid is designed for use in all brake systems particularly those which are exposed to extreme conditions. This product has been formulated from mixed polyalkylene glycol ethers and borate ester together with other high performance additives and inhibitors which give ultimate system protection against the effects of corrosion and high temperature vapour lock.

APPLICATION

Castrol Response Super DOT 4 has been specifically designed to be a high temperature alternative to DOT 5.1 fluids. Its superior characteristics give added benefit in situations where extreme conditions are encountered and ultimate braking response required. Castrol Response Super DOT 4 is based on glycol ether and borate ester technology and as such has a high vapour lock point (measurement relating to high temperature performance under braking conditions). Because of the nature of this formulation, the vapour lock point can be sustained at a higher level than conventional glycol ether based fluids during the service life of the product . Castrol Response Super DOT 4 should not be used in braking systems for which a mineral oil based fluid is recommended (for example, some Citroen systems, for which Castrol Response LHM is suitable and Rolls Royce systems, for which Castrol HSMO Plus is approved). As with all brake fluids which contain glycol ethers, care should be taken to avoid spilling this product on paintwork, as it may have a damaging effect. In case of spillage, rinse the affected area with water immediately: Do not wipe. It is fully compatible with other fluids meeting FMVSS 116 DOT 3, DOT 4 and DOT 5.1 however, in order to maintain the superior performance characteristics of Castrol Response Super DOT 4 avoid mixing with other brake fluid products.

All conventional brake fluids deteriorate during use.

It is strongly recommended that Castrol Response Super DOT 4 should be changed according to the vehicle manufacturers advice. In the absence of such advice, a 2 year change period is recommended.

________________________________________________________________________________

PERFORMANCE

SAE J1703 (Current)

ISO 4925

FMVSS 116 DOT 3 & DOT 4

JIS K 2233

TYPICAL CHARACTERISTICS

Dry Boiling Point

Strange thing is, I've spoke to a few Octy vRS owners who report similar problems with their brakes using standard pads as Fabia vRS owners... which is what originally led me to believe that the pads were actually the weakest link...

Hmm... maybe it's both? Perhaps the standard pads and calipers are poor...

I think its just the oem pads that let it done. I was more than happy with the power of the oem setup it was just they overheated quicky. At the time their was no pad upgrades so I went 312mm

Choices, choices...

I wouldnt personally buy DS2500s again.

I found them way too noisy for everyday use. Mine squealed so much it was just annoying.

Very impressive bite and stopping power though.

I will go down the 312mm route when I get round to it.

You know it makes sense

I wouldnt personally buy DS2500s again.

I found them way too noisy for everyday use. Mine squealed so much it was just annoying.

Very impressive bite and stopping power though.

I will go down the 312mm route when I get round to it.

I haven't yet experienced any squealing... quite a bit more brake dust though, but I have been braking a bit harder these days. I did put a good amount of copper slip on the pads, piston and caliper which may have reduced the squeals.

By the way, when I was taking the discs off, I noticed that there was copper slip on the face of the hub. Would this have been to prevent the disc welding to the hub over time???

I haven't yet experienced any squealing... quite a bit more brake dust though' date=' but I have been braking a bit harder these days. I did put a good amount of copper slip on the pads, piston and caliper which may have reduced the squeals.

By the way, when I was taking the discs off, I noticed that there was copper slip on the face of the hub. Would this have been to prevent the disc welding to the hub over time???[/quote']

I put plenty of copper grease on the back of the pads, piston and caliper but to no avail.

Yes i suppose its a good idea between disc and hub to help stop it seizing and for easy removal. probably a good idea to put some on mounting surface of the wheel too - especially on the backs as these can be a bugger to get off.