The thing is that Painting a car & RE-finishing, (respraying a car) is not Rocket science.

They have been painting cars for 100 years and more and carrages before that.

EU rules and regs have made many paints cr4p, but still not un-paintable.

The Body Shop doing Warranty Work is taking the Pith, Taking Short Cuts in Preparation i would suggest.

If the Original Primer or Paint Finish on the Bumper/Spoiler is not as should be,

then Spraying on that will not make things right.

(you seal the original finish in most cases as a quick and simple process)

or

You strip it back

or

get Skoda to get a New Item and Spray that.

Job Done.

Everything seems to turn into a major crisis these days.

If in Doubt on a Paint Finish get a Trained Technician that can check Paint Thickness & Quality.

These guys do Oil Rigs, Aeroplanes/Helicopters etc.

*Actually they might be like me when i was young, we bluffed our way into OIl & Gas work because all the American at Metal Box & Texas Instuments, Halliburton etc had also conned their way in, nobody was really trained or knew what they were doing.*

(call it Hardness or Softness if you want, but thats not what it is they are checking)

Just cars & just paint. Simples...

george

Edited 29 July, 201213 yr by sk4gw

Whats wrong with your paint then.

Why is the not very technical term 'Soft' being used,

what is happening is it chipping easily?

Surprised they are not terming that as 'Brittle' if thats the problem, or is it Peeling ?

?Is the Body Shop using, Paint Supplied by Skoda & applying to Skoda Specifications.?

What about the Prepartion, is it Primed and Undercoated with the product supplied by Skoda?

george

If it was brittle it would be too hard. It is soft as in you can indent the paint with your finger nail and flies etch into the paint. The headlight washers also leave a groove around where they sit if you pull them out.

It came from the factory like this, hence being redone under warranty. It is clearly a known issue due to the no quibble agreement to redo it.

The body shop isn't the problem and i highly doubt that they aren't prepping it or doing it correctly, particularly as they have re-done it out of their own pocket (it is a VAG approved bodyshop, not a branded bodyshop).

Perhaps..for solid colours...but even that statement contradicts the Professional Detailers' experience of Skoda paint

So...I stand by what I have said

SORRY

Yes, i am very clear on what is hard paint vs soft. I have a DA, own a VW and a Octy, both of which have hard paint compared to my mates Yaris which can be corrected with the softest pad in most instances.

But just 'cos VAG's have hard paint', it does not mean that every panel on every VAG car has hard paint as is the case in point on the OP and my experience. The paint on the bonnet of mine is rock hard, as is the rest of the panels except for the front and rear bumper.

OK got it, you are an expert in things that dont get fixed right first time.

Your Body shop is experts in not getting things right first time,

& Skoda/VAG do not get things right regularly.

So its simple, its Needing according to you a Thinner & Harder finish that is not Brittle.

That is what i try to do every time i do a job.

Its Simple & not expensive, & when a customer thinks they know better they can take a hike.

I think any Kid Painting a Push bike or a Bike Helmet with a spray can knows the difference of the paint on the finished job, Metal or

Plastic/fiber Glass.

Like i said, Not Rocket Science.

Like you say then, Hard or Soft.

good luck with your VAG Approved Bodyshop,

hope they are Better than VAG Trained Technician and VAG Dealerships and Workshops.

george

PS, When you say it came out the Factory like that, is that Guaranteed, because many do but after having had to go around the paint process again, and many get re-done at the UK Distribution centre if in transit damage.

For Hyundai in the UK that was from the South Coast port up to Kirriemuir (Richard Lawson) to have PDI done,extras added & In Transit repairs done like Touch Ups. before going to the Dealership

No Idea what Skoda do tho.

Many Manufacturers are done at Quay side Distribution & RE-finishing buildings straight off the Ship.

Edited 29 July, 201213 yr by sk4gw

OK got it, you are an expert in things that dont get fixed right first time.

Your Body shop is experts in not getting things right first time,

& Skoda/VAG do not get things right regularly.

So its simple, its Needing according to you a Thinner & Harder finish that is not Brittle.

That is what i try to do every time i do a job.

Its Simple & not expensive, & when a customer thinks they know better they can take a hike.

I think any Kid Painting a Push bike or a Bike Helmet with a spray can knows the difference of the paint on the finished job, Metal or

Plastic/fiber Glass.

Like i said, Not Rocket Science.

Like you say then, Hard or Soft.

good luck with your VAG Approved Bodyshop,

hope they are Better than VAG Trained Technician and VAG Dealerships and Workshops.

george

Someone has an attitude problem.... I suggest if you are going to make remarks like that then consider not bothering.

I never said i was an expert, i am going from what i can see and feel with my own eyes and hands and from the official bodyshop report and warranty report from Skoda.

I never said i knew better, after coming back from Germany the other week, the millions of flies have etched the paint, i took it back and bodyshop manager said right away it needed redoing for the same issue as the factory paint.

I should hope that the body shop are better than VAG dealerships to be honest as i have been at the receiving end of their 'workmanship' before with my old car hence discovering this VAG approved bodyshop to carry out the rectification work that the VAG bodyshop failed to complete to any sort of standard over 4 attempts yet this body shop got it right first time. They are also Porsche, Merc, Ferrari approved as well as being Aluminium specialists so i think they know a thing or two about paint.

But you have decided to rant at me after i commented that VAG do have some soft paints on panels out there to back up the OP. With attitudes like this, i don't think i will bother commenting next time.

Sorry but i would give a Rant warning,

i typed a full reply i thought.

Look they did it out of their own pocket because they did it wrong the first time.

If the paint was too thick, then they never made it thinner.

Apprentice on a simple job & not enough Quality control is common.

No Attitude, just replying to help.

good luck

george

Edited 29 July, 201213 yr by sk4gw

Sorry but i would give a Rant warning,

i typed a full reply i thought.

Look they did it out of their own pocket because they did it wrong the first time.

If the paint was too thick, then they never made it thinner.

Apprentice on a simple job & not enough Quality control is common.

No Attitude, just replying to help.

good luck

george

Well if 'they did it wrong first time' i would have thought they would have done it right second time if it was coming out of their own pocket?

If that is the case then they will just have to do it a third time and so on until it is right which isn't as cost effective to doing a proper job in the first place. If they did that all the time i very much doubt they would still have all their approvals and just invested a good few hundred grand into an aluminium bodyshop and collection showroom.

I can't say whether the paint is too thick or not as i am not a paint expert, nor do i have a paint depth gauge.

I suggest you re-read the reply if you think there is no attitude in it?? OK got it, you are an expert in things that dont get fixed right first time.

Your Body shop is experts in not getting things right first time.

I will leave it at that as it is going too off topic now.

I think you summed up correctly & quoted what i said in a fair way.

george

jrw

I fail to see how the car can have soft paint on a bumper and rock hard on the bonnet.

Its the same paint

Can you explain how please?

jrw

I fail to see how the car can have soft paint on a bumper and rock hard on the bonnet.

Its the same paint

Can you explain how please?

They aren't sprayed with the car. The plastics are sprayed separate to the car. As to why - I have no idea and neither to the bodyshop.

The plastics don't go in the ovens

The plastics don't go in the ovens

I would imagine they do. iirc they are low baked at 65c.

Yh your right the paint on the roof is not as good as the rest of the car I have a few random scratches on the roof and the rest of the car is all perfect