Excessive Battery Drain

[RainbowFire]

Interestingly. address 56 for the radio shows a fault, '01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded'.

This this doesn't seem to cause any problems other that the Bolero display being dim.

My Bolero is dim too. Reacts with the dash-dim control, but unreadable during the day. I was told it's a common problem.

However, the "incorrectly coded" bit I might be able to shed a little bit of light on. About 7 weeks ago Mike Holroyd had a poke around in my Octy with his VCDS. Am fairly sure I had the "incorrectly coded" error, despite the fact that it worked 100% fine. From what I recall there was a setting telling the Bolero what the rest of the sound system is. (8 speakers, 8 speakers + amp, etcetcetc). Mine was rather oddly set to nothing. Mike coded it to "Octavia with 8 speakers" and the error vanished. If you nudge Mike (gentley) he might be able to recall what and where the setting is within VCDS.

If anyone comes up with a solution to the dim display, I think there'd be some very grateful people around.

[Brian Giles]

If you nudge Mike (gentley) he might be able to recall what and where the setting is within VCDS.

If anyone comes up with a solution to the dim display, I think there'd be some very grateful people around.

Thank you guys, you have given a glimmer of hope to many Bolero owners.

RainbowFire, can I ask you what Mike's username is so I can IM him to ask.

I will in the meantime investigate the 'long coding' as suggested by andyvee, to see if there are any obvious anomalies.

As soon as I have any results, I'll post them.

I seem to have taken this post a little off topic, is there a more appropriate thread I should be updating, such as..

http://www.briskoda....age__hl__ 01044

Edited 10 September, 2012 by Brian Giles

[Sippo]

£160 for a battery? What make and model is it??

Battery was £100 OEM, but the dealer decided to charge me £60 diagnostics check. Absolutely disgusted with the service I received, but didn't have any other option unfortunately.

[blackspaven]

Thank you guys, you have given a glimmer of hope to many Bolero owners.

RainbowFire, can I ask you what Mike's username is so I can IM him to ask.

I will in the meantime investigate the 'long coding' as suggested by andyvee, to see if there are any obvious anomalies.

As soon as I have any results, I'll post them.

I seem to have taken this post a little off topic, is there a more appropriate thread I should be updating, such as..

http://www.briskoda....age__hl__ 01044

It's mikeholroyd, he's posted within this thread so easy to find.

Top man, very knowledgable.

[Brian Giles]

Thanks blackspaven

Andyvee was also kind enough to provide Mike's details, along with some further tips regarding the Bolero coding and the dim diaplay issue.

Results posted here...

http://www.briskoda...._ 01044__st__90

Edited 15 September, 2012 by Brian Giles

[MarcSmith1983]

Thanks for all the feedback.

I've had the new battery fitted for around 2 weeks now and it still starts first time. I've got it booked in to a garage for a scan early in October. The reason I'm still getting it scanned is that the airbag light has now came on. This may have been down to me taking out fuses one by one and it may need reset.

But if anybody else needs to put a new battery in. When checking the amp draw you need to give it at least 15 minutes for everything to start up. I'm not sure how long though. Could be 16 minutes, could be 40 minutes. The best way to check without a garage. Leave the car for 3-4 days then fire it up. It it starts, then it'll be fine.

Will post here once I hear back from the garage.

[RainbowFire]

Is there no-one near you with VCDS that could do the scan quicker (and probably cheaper too)?

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/74720-list-of-vag-com-diagnostic-system-vcds-owners/page__hl__%20vcds%20%20owners

[MarcSmith1983]

Not really. We're on the Isle of Skye My dad is coming up hopefully end of October and he'll bring his Solus so I might wait until then if it's going to break the bank. I can live without airbags for a while as I'm only driving 30 miles per week at the moment.

Edited 18 September, 2012 by MarcSmith1983

[Wardy]

Pluses and minuses I suppose - beautiful scenery, lack of VCDS availability

[MarcSmith1983]

Pluses and minuses I suppose - beautiful scenery, lack of VCDS availability

haha yeah.

[PhilVRS2010]

Hello,

Sorry to drag up an old post but I seem to be having a similar issue.

I've bought a 2010 Octavia VRS TDI. I got this for my wife to use on maternity as a safe, reliable car. (Didn't know much about the VRS model) So far its been sat on the drive or I've had to take it due to it being so unreliable.

Its just had a new Alternator as this was believed to be the problem. (Or could have been killed by recharging drained battery every day) Fed up of going back and forth to the garage. Bought private so can't go back to the seller.

Battery was tested ok but its now dead and is dead every morning. Just bought a new battery but don't want to kill another one.

Tested the Amp drain and its around 0.68, then drops to 0.39, sometimes comes back up. Unplug the Can Databus gateway fuse and it drops to 0.2. In hot weather its far worse and I'm sure I can here fans running behind the stereo even with ignition off? Occasionally I can hear a clicking from the rear drivers side wheel arch area, on investigation its a towing relay that's clicking? This also carries on with ignition off and the car locked ect.

So I'm guessing I need to get it code read? VCDS? And possibly the Can databus changed?

 

Question is can anyone help me near Sheffield? VCDS read or repair?

Got a 14week old so you can imagine time it tight and I'm struggling to get time to work on it. If its going to be a nightmare or expensive I'll have to "We buy any car" it and take the hit financially. Not a great place to be, any help would be appreciated  

 

[Andymod]

I can scan it for you

[PhilVRS2010]

Hi Andy,

I'm going to see Waytootall off here tonight in Sheffield so hopefully that will shed some light.

 

Picked up a new battery from Euro car spares. There is a code on at the min for 33% off

[langers2k]

@PhilVRS2010 - How did you do the current measurement?

 

CAN-bus cars such as the MK2 Octavia can be tricky to diagnose as simple actions like opening a door or leaving the bonnet open can cause system to wake up and invalidate your testing.

 

I've attached the suggested method from VAG.

vw.current.draw.tb.pdf

[PhilVRS2010]

20 hours ago, langers2k said:

@PhilVRS2010 - How did you do the current measurement?

 

CAN-bus cars such as the MK2 Octavia can be tricky to diagnose as simple actions like opening a door or leaving the bonnet open can cause system to wake up and invalidate your testing.

 

I've attached the suggested method from VAG.

vw.current.draw.tb.pdf

 

Ah thank you.

I just disconnected the battery and used a multi-meter across the terminals. On a hot day I can here a humming from behind the stereo. Sounds like cooling fans to me. Ignition off and waited a while but keeps running till the car cools down. (at night)

 

Waytootall Found these faults -

Car starts fine. I've included the Can gateway info

2 Faults Found:
001649 - Cylinder 1 Glow Plug Circuit (Q10)
               P0671 - 000 - Electrical Fault
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100000
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 173405 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2012.09.05
                    Time: 00:06:07

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 0 /min
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Voltage: 11.17 V
                    Temperature: 8.1°C
                    Bin. Bits: 00110000
                    Time: 2.52 s
                    Temperature: 9.9°C

001650 - Cylinder 2 Glow Plug Circuit (Q11)
               P0672 - 000 - Electrical Fault
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100000
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 174067 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2012.10.27
                    Time: 00:07:52

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 966 /min
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Voltage: 14.21 V
                    Temperature: 10.8°C
                    Bin. Bits: 10110000
                    Time: 2.16 s
                    Temperature: 10.8°C

Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels:. 1K0-907-530-V4.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 AD    HW: 1K0 907 951
   Component: J533  Gateway   H16 0233 
   Revision:   H16       Serial number: 4520K10216036D
   Coding: E9807F06400202001303
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00999
   VCID: 69D9CBE940C17F0C90-803C

No fault code found.

[RainbowFire]

Just out of interest is it an original Skoda stereo in there? If so, which one?

[PhilVRS2010]

I believe it to be the original stereo.

Its a Columbus - Front loader CD, MP3, Hard drive, satnav. Not sure of model number. Can get a pic if needed.

Phone doesn't work so I presume it doesn't have the Bluetooth kit installed.

[Rustynuts]

Your Can Gateway is compatible with the Columbus, so changing it will probably not help your cause. The fact that you have a relay clicking is something which needs investigating, but you've omitted to post a full autoscan so no one can see anything other than the faults you've shown.

[PhilVRS2010]

Here you go -

Chassis Type: 1Z-SK35 (1K0)
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 25 37 42 44 46 52 56 62 72

VIN: TMBEH21ZXA2099326   Mileage: 174100km-108180miles

01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
37-Navigation -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine (CEG)       Labels: 03L-906-022-CBA.clb
   Part No SW: 03L 906 022 RD    HW: 03L 906 022 GA
   Component: R4 2,0L EDC G000SG  5751 
   Revision: 13H03---    Serial number:              
   Coding: 0001072
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00999
   VCID: 78FF9EAD0B6BD6841F-802C

2 Faults Found:
001649 - Cylinder 1 Glow Plug Circuit (Q10)
               P0671 - 000 - Electrical Fault
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100000
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 173405 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2012.09.05
                    Time: 00:06:07

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 0 /min
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Voltage: 11.17 V
                    Temperature: 8.1°C
                    Bin. Bits: 00110000
                    Time: 2.52 s
                    Temperature: 9.9°C

001650 - Cylinder 2 Glow Plug Circuit (Q11)
               P0672 - 000 - Electrical Fault
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100000
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 255
                    Mileage: 174067 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2012.10.27
                    Time: 00:07:52

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 966 /min
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Voltage: 14.21 V
                    Temperature: 10.8°C
                    Bin. Bits: 10110000
                    Time: 2.16 s
                    Temperature: 10.8°C

Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 1K0-907-379-60EC1F.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AH    HW: 1K0 907 379 AH
   Component: ESP MK60EC1   H30 0107 
   Revision: 00H30001   
   Coding: 163B601C092B0003680E06E6901F0082340800
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00999
   VCID: 78FF9EADCB6BD6841F-802C

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255)       Labels:| 5K0-907-044.clb
   Part No SW: 3T0 907 044 AR    HW: 3T0 907 044 AR
   Component: Climatronic   H15 0401 
   Revision: 00005001   
   Coding: 0000000002
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Climatronic A01006
   ROD: EV_ClimaAutoBasis_SK35.rod
   VCID: 020BFC4595B78C5431-8056

1 Fault Found:
9481200 - Refrigerant Pressure
          B10AB F0 [009] - Too Low
          Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00000001
                    Fault Priority: 2
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 158
                    Mileage: 174102 km
                    Date: 2018.06.06
                    Time: 09:24:25

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 1K0-937-08x-09.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 937 087 D    HW: 1K0 937 087 D
   Component: BCM PQ35  H   103 0575 
   Revision: 00103 AG   
   Coding: 48180AB8B05BB1C040080080110001E4430000AE424D8160800440040000
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00999
   VCID: 326B6C856D97FCD4E1-8066

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1Z2 955 119 C  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer 11021  22  0601
   Coding: 00D7B7

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1Z0 951 171
   Component: Innenraumuebe  008 5101

   Subsystem 3 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
   Component: LIN BACKUP HO  H05 1501

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 1K0-909-605.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 909 605 T    HW: 1K0 909 605 T
   Component: Q4 AIRBAG VW8   020 2300 
   Revision: 05020000    Serial number: 0038PD2K0BRN 
   Coding: 0020788
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00999
   VCID: 3D714FB964C933AC0C-8068

   Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 6332MSME4F241A14C

   Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6342MSME4F43457FT

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY9.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 CQ    HW: 1K0 953 549 CQ
   Component: J0527           053 0111 
   Coding: 0000034
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00999
   VCID: 0305F94142AD855C3A-8056

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
   Part No SW: 1Z0 920 943 J    HW: 1Z0 920 943 J
   Component: KOMBI         H05 0305 
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 410B00
   Shop #: WSC 73430 031 00999
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04052
   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_SK34.rod
   VCID: 408F364DDB3B5E4467-8014

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels:. 1K0-907-530-V4.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 AD    HW: 1K0 907 951
   Component: J533  Gateway   H16 0233 
   Revision:   H16       Serial number: 4520K10216036D
   Coding: E9807F06400202001303
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00999
   VCID: 69D9CBE940C17F0C90-803C

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234
   Component: IMMO          H05 0305 
   Serial number: 00000000000000
   Coding: 000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03005
   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09.rod
   VCID: 6ADBB4E58DC7741499-803E

No fault code found.

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Address 37: Navigation (J0506)       Labels:. 1T0-035-680.clb
   Part No SW: 3T0 035 680 A    HW: 3T0 035 680 A
   Component: RNS-MID       H06 2684 
   Revision: AB001001    Serial number: SKZ6Z7K2047018
   Coding: 040004020001008100
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00999
   VCID: 2E5378F579AFD83485-807A

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels:. 1K0-959-701-MIN3.clb
   Part No SW: 1T0 959 701 T    HW: 1T0 959 701 T
   Component: Tuer-SG         009 2114 
   Coding: 0000756
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00999
   VCID: 489F2E6D3B0B6604AF-801C

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1K0-909-14x-GEN3.clb
   Part No: 1K0 909 144 J
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl. 74     3001 
   Revision: 00H17000   
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00999
   VCID: 31696389A891C7CC98-8064

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels:. 1K0-959-702-MIN3.clb
   Part No SW: 1T0 959 702 R    HW: 1T0 959 702 R
   Component: Tuer-SG         009 2114 
   Coding: 0000756
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00999
   VCID: 479D2D513615697CA6-8012

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio (J0506)       Labels:. 1T0-035-680.clb
   Part No SW: 3T0 035 680 A    HW: 3T0 035 680 A
   Component: RNS-MID       H06 2684 
   Revision: AB001001    Serial number: SKZ6Z7K2047018
   Coding: 040004020001008100
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00999
   VCID: 2E5378F579AFD83485-807A

No fault code found.

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Address 62: Door, Rear Left        Labels:. 1K0-959-703-GEN3.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 959 703 A    HW: 5K0 959 703 A
   Component: Tuer-SG         007 2101 
   Coding: 0000144
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 1012551
   VCID: 326B6C85AD97FCD4E1-8066

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right        Labels:. 1K0-959-704-GEN3.clb
   Part No SW: 5K0 959 704 A    HW: 5K0 959 704 A
   Component: Tuer-SG         007 2101 
   Coding: 0000144
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 1012551
   VCID: 33656981528DF5DCEA-8066

No fault code found.

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[Rustynuts]

I see no controller there for trailer hitch, but I'm not altogether certain if it should be there on that age of car. Still, I'd be looking at the wiring for the tow bar electrics first as a start point.

[PhilVRS2010]

Seems to be OK now. I've fitted a new battery so I wonder if the old battery didn't have the power to keep the relay in.

[PhilVRS2010]

I've also noticed the fans in the stereo do turn off once its cooled down. I suspect because it needed a new alternator the battery was also knackered. Surprised they didn't fit a new bat at the same time as the alternator.