Just out of interest, if the police caught you speeding, without any proof, i.e. video etc, can they do anything?

kick the hell out of you in the boot of the car....oh sorry no that's not permitted.

As I know, it's just as hard for them to prosecute without as it is for you to get out if it when they have.

Although as a few people have mentioned, plan extra time onto journeys for a few weeks while you are "tested".

Count yourself lucky if this is the case. For what it's worth I'd rather be pulled over and spoken to even fined / points than flashed...seems imorale and misses the point.

I suspect you will of got more out of your chat than a shiny photo of the back of your car.

No I'm not bitter...but I maybe thanks to a green camera in front of a tree when I was lost.

Just out of interest, if the police caught you speeding, without any proof, i.e. video etc, can they do anything?

Simple answer , yes.

Long answer , it depends on the driving grade of the officers , the vehicle they were driving in , the speed you were doing annd how long they followed you.

If they are a basic/UBV grade driver in a standard panda car then it would be unlikely to go to court.

If they are an advanced grade driver with a similarly qualified passenger who followd you for a long time at well in excess of the speed limit then you would almost certainly be taken to court.

I see, so a normal town police car, then just a telling off, any other ones, then ur in the S**ts.

Thanks

I see' date=' so a normal town police car, then just a telling off, any other ones, then ur in the S**ts.

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Not necessarily.

Even in basic town cars , advanced drivers are able to do you for speeding , and if you are driving badly enough you can be done by any police officer just with more difficulty

Just to ex-spand on DR Zoidberg reply;

"No person shall be convicted of an offence of speeding contrary to s89 solely on evidence of one witnessto that effect that, in the opinion of the witness, the person prosecuted was driving the vehicle at a speed exceeding the specified limit. The subsection requires corroborative evidence; it does not require that their must necessary be more than one witness. Although, thechnically, there is no reason whyan offender should not be convicted on the evidence of two witnesses, where one corroborates the other by stating in his opinion the vehicle was for example, exceeding a limit of 30 mph, the courts would generally not be satisfied with two such opinions unless the speed was estimated to be far in excess of the limit imposed. Corroboration is therefore usually provided by some mechanical device, which is read by an operator who may then give evidence of its reading. These readings will provide corroboration of the operator's opinion of the speed of the vehicle in question.

Corrobopration of speed may be obtained by use of stop watches to assess speeds over ta measured distance, but this is usally provided by a speedometer, radar speed meter or vascar. Where a speedometer is used, it is important to estlibish that the police vehicle containing the speedometer maintained an even distance from the vehicle being checked as this is relevant to the issue of speed

In incidents where two police officers are involved in detecting speding offences, they may keep one record of the transaction provided that both check and acknowledge the accuracy of that record at the time. This frequently occurs where one officer is engaged in checking the speed of the vehicle, whilst another stops and deals with the offending driver."

The above quote was taken from the Butterworths Police Law

Basically if one police officer has no equipment to detect speed on board its your word against him.

I have been told, someone who was done for speeding in a 30mph limit because the police office carried out a running commentary on his radio, pasing known markers giving his speed reading and the offening driver was sucessfully convicted at court. This was by a basic standard driver. I believe that the police can only do you for speeding after following you for 2/10 of a mile. Sorry its long winded but hope it is of some help.

Yes

and Yes I have been!!!

Never admit speeding, question if they have proof, and say you wont accept it...

...This tried and tested method was found out by my Boss when we were caught speeding on an empty motorway, that was 6months ago, never heard anything since

Obviously that wont always be the case, but its worth a try

Off topic slightly

If you are caught on camera & you get the little envelope through the door

Before returning the form write to them or fax them to say you are not sure it was you & Also if you are not sure who was driving as quite often more than one person might drive your car & can you see the photo

When you get the piccie & if it is your car & its not clear who the driver is send back the form, dont admit who was driving, just ask if they can enhance the picture in any way to give you some idea who was driving (they are unlikely to be able to do this)

You are required by law to declare who was driving as failing to declare carries the same penalty plus about an extra

I passed a stationary copper at a junction recently - I was doing approx double the speed limit (dual carriagway - 40mph limit - no schools/houses etc...) and he saw me but took a while to get out - I dived into a supermarket carpark and into the car wash!!

Still point free

Got a bit lucky there then

Heart rate approx 150bpm at that point!!

Slightly off topic but.....

My Dad's mate is a traffic cop, I asked him once if a town panda car can get you for speeding. He said yes they could but because their speedo is not calibrated they would have to test the vehicle against a calibrated car. Doing so ties up 2 vehicles ofr half a day or so and causes no end of headaches and paperwork. His advice was that if you're stopped by a non-traffic car and told you'll be prosecuted, ask for the calibration certificate for the panda car's speedo.

He did also say that most bobbies will know this so its best to take the *******ing before continuing your journey

Have to agree with the last comment,although if asked we would always assist with a speedo run. You only need a single Officer to 'form the opinion' that a vehicle is travelling too quickly, the speed is then checked against a speedo, 'speed gun' or vascar device. You MUST be notified within (and up to) 14 days of the alleged offence that an intention to prosecute exists, this also applies to camera offences.

If you need any more info let me know!

Or, just don't speed and so they have to catch worse criminals?

The above quote was taken from the Butterworths Police Law.

ISBN 0-406-98146-9.

Hi,

To catch any person speeding the police require evidence (as they do to report you for any offence from ****ing in the street to murder).

This can come in many forms particularily when talking about the Traffic department.

However, it appears from this thread we are looking at a Panda car.

The advice given about advanced police drivers and standard police drivers is a bit misleading. All traffic vehicles will have calibrated speedos which means the police officers can follow you at a constant distance behind you for a set time (usually over 2 10ths of a mile). They will monitor your speed and the evidence of both officers determines your speed.

In some forces all Pandas also have calibrated speedos (most Astras that Vauxhall supply for the police have them) and as long as the officers in the car have been trained to do follow on speed measurement then they will be able to charge you with speeding. They DO not need to be advanced drivers to have received this training.

I have heard of some cases where non calibrated cars have been used but this type of evidence is obviously more open to question in court.

So in summary a bog standard Panda can do you for speeding but they have to have some way of proving your speed.

Regards

a long time ago , I used to own a fiat uno turbo, I got the turbo boost upped from 0.8 bar to 1.2 bar, gave good speed, the guy who did it, wasn't a tuner, just a part time amature with a bleed valve kit!

story he told me, had his uno modified with a bigger turbo (from some nissan!) and boosted right up, (and drove this car!) was about 250bhp/tonne, he got caught being followed on the motorway at 147 mph.... the police didn't inspect his car when they booked him, after this, he removed all the mods and fitted all the original equipment, went to court and stated the police evedence was wrong as the uno turbo can only do 123 mph, had his car inspected and got the case thrown out!

note: wouldn't advise anyone to follow this kind of peversion of justice! lol....

Never admit speeding' date=' question if they have proof, and say you wont accept it...

...This tried and tested method was found out by my Boss when we were caught speeding on an empty motorway, that was 6months ago, never heard anything since

Obviously that wont always be the case, but its worth a try [/quote']

No, I wouldn't do that. This seems like the quickest way to get the three points. If you admit it and say sorry straight away, they are more likley to see you as a decent bloke and let you off.

The driver grade also has nothing to do with it, as the good Dr suggests. If the vehicle is calibrated and maintained that way, then there is nothing stopping any Police driver from 'sticking you on' for speeding. Obviously the higher the speed the easier it is to prove. Ie "I was following him for a mile traveling at 60mph in a 30 until he stopped at the lights"

My advice.... keep looking in the three shiney things infront of you and then you will see the Police car behind you....

ISBN 0-406-98146-9.

means the police officers can follow you at a constant distance behind you for a set time (usually over 2 10ths of a mile). They will monitor your speed and the evidence of both officers determines your speed.

Does this mean they take an average speed reading over 2/10th mile, or does the driver need to be above the speed limit for the whole distance, or is there some discretion involved, based on what the officers see?

Chris

Does this mean they take an average speed reading over 2/10th mile' date=' or does the driver need to be above the speed limit for the whole distance, or is there some discretion involved, based on what the officers see?

Chris[/quote']

It depends on what you are doing.

IF you are accellerating then they would say that you were doing X mph when they started following you and you increased to Y mph over half a mile etc.

Does this mean they take an average speed reading over 2/10th mile' date=' or does the driver need to be above the speed limit for the whole distance, or is there some discretion involved, based on what the officers see?

Chris[/quote']

There is lots of discretion involved, it might be just between two local points i.e. From the BP garage until the traffic lights I followed the vehicle at 50 in a 30.

Does everyone know what the small white sqaures painted on the road are for?!

They signal beginning/end of a measured 1/8th of a mile. Again they're to do you for speeding :(

They signal beginning/end of a measured 1/8th of a mile. Again they're to do you for speeding :(

Yep! not a lot of people know that. It's a helpful guide that the area you're in is frequently used my marked and unmarked Police for speed checks!