no it doesnt at all.

The bills are the same. MPG on a stage 2+ K04 is around 25mpg around town and 34mpg on the motoroway, thats is marginally worse than a stock OCtavia which would manage 28-30mpg around town and 38mpg on the motorway. Brakes are dependant on what kit you have installed, but if you go for the 312mm 4 pot boxter S kit discs are £200 a set and pads are £120-250 dependant on how hardcore they are. Servicing is no more than a normal Octavia. then tyres, tax, insurance.........all cheaper

You say "buy the right car in the first place" the R35 Skyline will never be able to carry 3 large suitcases and two prams without mvoing the parcel shelf whilst seating 5 people in comfort so its a void comparison.

If you had compared it to say an M3/M5 yes it becomes more comparable, but ultimately they are still much more to run and own.

Maybe we should agree to disagree here Rich. ill continue to do what i do and modify cars beecasue A: I want to, and B: I like doing that, and you continue to disagree with everything i write in every thread.

I do agree its not a proper performance car like an R35 is, not even close, but its a much more rounded car which is why modifying cars has such a huge following and industry surrounding it.

Drove a CR DSG and have to say it drives a great deal better than the Fabia.

Feels a lot more planted, lovely weight to the steering, brakes are razor sharp by comparison. The 170 engine naturally isnt quite as sharp and is less manic than the 1.4 but is fair to say its got tons of shove and it most definitely is not a slow car. DSG seems much smoother than the dry clutch unit in the Fabia and have to say it suits the CRs character perfectly.

Fair to say the TSi would be that bit better still but the CR seems a much better bet for lower running costs etc. Have no regrets changing whatsoever.

Those Octavias are really nice, I just don't think 170bhp in a car that heavy is enough to justify wearing the vRS badge tbh. Any rep in his boggo spec 320d has more power and will be quicker :-(

no it doesnt at all.

The bills are the same. MPG on a stage 2+ K04 is around 25mpg around town and 34mpg on the motoroway, thats is marginally worse than a stock OCtavia which would manage 28-30mpg around town and 38mpg on the motorway. Brakes are dependant on what kit you have installed, but if you go for the 312mm 4 pot boxter S kit discs are £200 a set and pads are £120-250 dependant on how hardcore they are. Servicing is no more than a normal Octavia. then tyres, tax, insurance.........all cheaper

You say "buy the right car in the first place" the R35 Skyline will never be able to carry 3 large suitcases and two prams without mvoing the parcel shelf whilst seating 5 people in comfort so its a void comparison.

If you had compared it to say an M3/M5 yes it becomes more comparable, but ultimately they are still much more to run and own.

Maybe we should agree to disagree here Rich. ill continue to do what i do and modify cars beecasue A: I want to, and B: I like doing that, and you continue to disagree with everything i write in every thread.

I do agree its not a proper performance car like an R35 is, not even close, but its a much more rounded car which is why modifying cars has such a huge following and industry surrounding it.

As ive said numerous times Ive no problem with modifying cars in fact in 25 years of driving i've never kept a car stock and ive made plenty of unique stuff in that time and some of it very very quick, often done by myself not farmed out to so-called tuners but ive wasted a lot of money in that time as well.

You simply cant take a car with 200hp wind it up to 350hp and expect it to be as reliable, as economical and as cheap to run , its not down to fuel consumption. My previous fun car was a 400hp Evo self mapped , it would average 28mpg over a tankful ie better than stock if driven sensibly but of course when averaging 28mpg it wasnt producing 400hp since it would rarely even be on full boost.

You cant make extra power without burning extra fuel

If you are going to up the performance on a engine to the extent you suggest you must increase the service frequency , there is good reason most performance cars have short intervals ie 3500-5000miles , since performance engines are hard on oil , coolant, plugs, brake fluid and require more maintenance. Tyres will probably last half as long as well

Insurance companies especially like it when you change the turbo on a car let alone that other whammy of changing the brakes , again its often cheaper to insure a stock car rather than a modified one with the same power.

Finally road tax is neither here nor there for the price of a Tarox brake kit you could tax, insure and maintain loads of different 300hp cars for a year

Bored of this now.

I disagree with you, you disagree with me, but surely you must agree that its getting boring writing the same thing down repeatedly!

...all of which is nothing to do with the original topic of standard Octy vRS versus a standard Fabia vRS.

Lol

Those Octavias are really nice, I just don't think 170bhp in a car that heavy is enough to justify wearing the vRS badge tbh. Any rep in his boggo spec 320d has more power and will be quicker :-(

Not sure I agree with that, a 170 CR isnt worlds slower than the Fabia or the petrol Octavia in standard form yet is considerably more efficient than both. As ive said before horses for courses.

And with regards to the 320d, mechanically great but I feel for anyone whos felt the need to pay nearly 30k for a car with 16 inch alloys and rear electric windows being the only novel feature. A vRS CR in my opinion is both alot cheaper and more interesting.

A loaded 320d M Sport Touring would be lovely but you'd have to be insane to spend 40k on a car like that, then a 19k vRS seems v good value

Not sure I agree with that, a 170 CR isnt worlds slower than the Fabia or the petrol Octavia in standard form yet is considerably more efficient than both. As ive said before horses for courses.

And with regards to the 320d, mechanically great but I feel for anyone whos felt the need to pay nearly 30k for a car with 16 inch alloys and rear electric windows being the only novel feature. A vRS CR in my opinion is both alot cheaper and more interesting.

A loaded 320d M Sport Touring would be lovely but you'd have to be insane to spend 40k on a car like that, then a 19k vRS seems v good value

Fair enough but I wasn't suggesting that a BMW would be value for money. The Octavia is a hell of a lot of car for the cash. I was just trying to make the point that an output of 170bhp is nothing special these days for a modern diesel of that size.

Isn't the new one rumoured to have 200bhp diesel?

Thats fair enough mate; get what youre saying just think its a valid point that both the Fabia and Petrol Octavia in standard form arent actually a great deal quicker; particularly in the Octavias case the 30hp deficit and weight increase is to a degree made up by the 50lb/ft more that the diesel makes. Its slower yes but not much.

Diesel is also very smooth (almost too much so) in its delivery so whilst it doesnt feel particularly rapid it gathers speed in a deceptive manner.

Just an obvious observation on one car being slower or feeling slower.

Funnily 30 mph or 70 mph even 141 mph is the same speed which ever vehicle it is being done in.

It can feel faster in one vehicle over another.

0-60 in 6.5 seconds or 7.5 seconds feels lots like 0-60 in 7.0 seconds in one car and different in another.,

you can not do lots with all the .5 seconds from each sprint start done in a journey,

you are just up the car in front a bit quicker.

My heart sometimes stays calm in an accelerating car that is mega fast

& other times i get palpitations from a 40 mph overtake with some torque steer & a fair pick up of speed.

Small and lighter cars can often just feel faster while actually being pretty much of a muchness to the bigger car.

Buying a diesel and getting less or similar performance and worse economy seems strange,

but its what ever the driver wants really..

Getting more miles between fill ups is good, but if its only because of a bigger fuel tank, its hardly relevant.

george