Only slightly down on torque at 320nm, power 150bhp, highest emissions are 118g/co2 for the Diesel DSG - amazing!

Can't find details on boot space yet and no doubt it will be a few months before you can take delivery, but levels of equipment and refinement look impressive.

Only slightly down on torque at 320nm, power 150bhp, highest emissions are 118g/co2 for the Diesel DSG - amazing!

Can't find details on boot space yet and no doubt it will be a few months before you can take delivery, but levels of equipment and refinement look impressive.

think the new octy is replacing the superb the rapid is replacing the octavia and the new superb will be bigger but think the current superb is a great al rounder

Edited 19 January, 201313 yr by racing boy

NO

think the new octy is replacing the superb the rapid is replacing the octavia and the new superb will be bigger but think the current superb is a great al rounder

Don't expect a new Superb until 2015 or thereabouts. What we're seeing images of is just a facelift - dimensions won't change.

150bhp Octy 3 diesels have worse rear suspension and of course less interior space, so no they're not match for Mk2 Superb in that respect.

From May onwards, new Octavia vRS (and possibly also 4x4) at least in 184bhp diesel guise will be noticeably faster than top 170bhp Mk2 Superb and also will come with good suspension. They might put the 184bhp diesel in the Mk2 Superb 2 during FL, of course

Mk2 Superb has much longer range than Octy 3, though, 60l stock / 65l+ ventable fuel tank, compared to apparently non-ventable 50l Octy 3 tank.

Still, driver's comfort and road manners could go either way, but a test drive is required to see these, so expect an answer around May-July

Edited 23 January, 201313 yr by dieselV6

Mk2 Superb has much longer range than Octy 3, though, 60l stock / 65l+ ventable fuel tank, compared to apparently non-ventable 50l Octy 3 tank.

How do you get 65 liters inside the Superb's fuel tank? Most (all?) people complain they can't even get 60 liter in.

How do you get 65 liters inside the Superb's fuel tank? Most (all?) people complain they can't even get 60 liter in.

Disclamer: Information below cannot be constitued as advice for legal purposes etc.etc.

First of all, I notice you have a petrol engine in the sig, it is not possible to do it for the petrol engined car as petrol expands much more than diesel, ventectomy on a petrol car will mess up vapour recovery system.

Google "ventectomy" on internet. You can put more fuel than stock capacity only into a diesel engined car.

Now, for a diesel car, it is really simple: either press and hold the small vent valve at car's filler neck with the nozzle while filling up, or remove the inside of the valve altogether. The extra space fills up slower than rest of the tank, so keep nozzle at 1/4th max flow or so. You can then fill the tank right to the edge of filler cap hole, so be careful or it will spill out.

Mk2 Superb's fuel tank diagram is shown below, look at the valve assembly, marked with an arrow. Similar arrangement was used at Mk1 Octy, Mk1 Superb and current Roomster. Removing the check valve gives 6l to 9l extra fuel tank capacity, on top of brochure listed values.

Positives: more fuel in the tank, longer range.

Negatives: just below full level in the tank, you can hear fuel sloshing around if engine is off. Not really an issue. Also, when you fill up to the brim, the last 5l-8l have to go in considerably slower than rest of fuel. Again, not a big deal.

All 3 Skodas of mine have had valve internals removed, Octy1 and Roomster's tank was 55l stock/64l vented, Superb Mk1 was 62l stock / 69l vented, and I guesstimate Superb Mk2 tank to be 60l stock and 65l - 66l vented. The vent valve is behind wheel well liner.

But don't do it on a petrol, petrol gives off vapour and expands considerably, diesel fuel does not. Petrol engined cars have charcoal canister that would get messed up if flooded.

Edited 23 January, 201313 yr by dieselV6

Interesting reading, but what I'm interested in is, are the comfort and refinement levels in the New Octy3, as good as the New Superb?

If I'm driving 800miles a week, cabin noise levels and comfort are high on the agenda, which is what attracts me the the Superb.

Thanks for your thoughts guys.

KennyD

Myself, I think the Octy is certainly an alternative if you don't really need the huge rear legroom etc, of the Superb.

From May onwards, new Octavia vRS (and possibly also 4x4) at least in 184bhp diesel guise will be noticeably faster than top 170bhp Mk2 Superb and also will come with good suspension. They might put the 184bhp diesel in the Mk2 Superb 2 during FL, of course
 

 

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But have you priced one - I have priced an Estate with my usual Superb spec and came out the close to £31.5 K.

 

That's a lot of money for an Octy

Edited 12 December, 201312 yr by ddyer79

KennyD,

 

I spent quite a lot of the summer this year test driving the Octy and the Superb and I just could not make up my mind. Then finally I had the opportunity of doing a back to back test. Drove the Octy first over about a 30 mile course - Mways, A & B roads, then exact same course in Superb and it became obvious to me as soon as I left the forecourt.

 

The Octy is not a bad car in fact its a very good car and I very nearly bought one. As mentioned earlier in this thread to spec an Octy to Superb trim levels does not really make financial sense, load space wise there is nothing between them - I think Superbs about 8mm in load length with rear seats down and the Octy is slightly wider between wheel arches.

 

My previous car was C5 Citroen with the Hydropneumatic suspension, so with that in mind, I have to say that I found the ride in the Octy a little harsh, tyre thumps over expansion joints in concrete roads was very evident - the Superb was a lot better. The Superb just seemed to be more 'Solid' and better insulated the passengers from what was going on outside.

 

PLUS its got a free umbrella 

 

I would definitely recommend a back to back test drive and I hope you'll see what I'm on about.

I am with Smudgers above. Could have chosen either, but felt the Superb just had a little more class, you might say. So I bought one and am happy I made the right choice.

I've also driven both of them over the same roads in close succession. It has to be the Superb for me, hands down.

KennyD,

 

I spent quite a lot of the summer this year test driving the Octy and the Superb and I just could not make up my mind. Then finally I had the opportunity of doing a back to back test. Drove the Octy first over about a 30 mile course - Mways, A & B roads, then exact same course in Superb and it became obvious to me as soon as I left the forecourt.

 

The Octy is not a bad car in fact its a very good car and I very nearly bought one. As mentioned earlier in this thread to spec an Octy to Superb trim levels does not really make financial sense, load space wise there is nothing between them - I think Superbs about 8mm in load length with rear seats down and the Octy is slightly wider between wheel arches.

 

My previous car was C5 Citroen with the Hydropneumatic suspension, so with that in mind, I have to say that I found the ride in the Octy a little harsh, tyre thumps over expansion joints in concrete roads was very evident - the Superb was a lot better. The Superb just seemed to be more 'Solid' and better insulated the passengers from what was going on outside.

 

PLUS its got a free umbrella 

 

I would definitely recommend a back to back test drive and I hope you'll see what I'm on about.

Cheers Smudgers!

That's exactly what I've been thinking and I will test drive them "back to back", but I look at them side by side in the showroom and the Superb looks more substantial and is slightly bigger car............surely the better quality justifies the bigger price tag!

I am now pondering, whether to drop down to an SE spec for an Estate, so I can have 170bhp with DSG and still add a Columbus and stay under £26k P11D.

Thanks for your post!

KennyD

KennyD,

 

Pleasure - always good to share experiences.

 

I have the 170bhp with DSG and I have to say it seems like a match made in heaven. I don't have the paddle shift on steering wheel - as its no hardship to just nudge the stick if i feel like playing a little.

 

Did manage 60mpg on one run (A roads mainly) when driving as a manual so very happy with that. Generally around town in Auto mode in in the late 40s on a run easy 50+.

 

Previous C5 I had could not get above mid 30s on a run and high 20s around town - so from my point of view I'm seeing a cost saving from a more powerful car.

 

If you buy from a dealer certainly try the Skoda insurance - mine DROPPED by over £100 for the new car - and I thought I had a good deal with my old insurer.

NO

Nah

Is this the facelift?

first picture is photo shop, next two is facelift.

KennyD,

 

Pleasure - always good to share experiences.

 

I have the 170bhp with DSG and I have to say it seems like a match made in heaven. I don't have the paddle shift on steering wheel - as its no hardship to just nudge the stick if i feel like playing a little.

 

Did manage 60mpg on one run (A roads mainly) when driving as a manual so very happy with that. Generally around town in Auto mode in in the late 40s on a run easy 50+.

 

Previous C5 I had could not get above mid 30s on a run and high 20s around town - so from my point of view I'm seeing a cost saving from a more powerful car.

 

If you buy from a dealer certainly try the Skoda insurance - mine DROPPED by over £100 for the new car - and I thought I had a good deal with my old insurer.

 

Hi Buddy,

 

Mine will be a Company Car - and my budget is £26k inc toys, Because the proirity for me is 170bhp with DSG, it looks like I will need to go down to SE spec and add Columbus for an extra! 

 

I had the DSG in a former Passatt - and loved it (must be getting old ha) and I will be clocking up 800miles a week, so I feel that's a must, coupled with the 170 for decent torque, it should be good. A quiet cabin is what I really want and that fits the bill. I have also considered fitting a Noise Killer system (they are based is Oldham, Manchester) and for £300 you can reduce outside noise by 30%. Hopefully, that wouldn't be needed for a Superb!

 

I really do like the Sirius wheels on the L&K - is it possible to buy those as an accessory item?

 

I just hope Skoda will hold their prices for six months, as I have my heart set on "a white twin door charger"!

 

Thanks for your help Smudgers!

 

KennyD

There's a significant difference in spec between the SE and Elegance. Personally I would consider getting the 140 if it allows the Elegance. Think about what will give you the most pleasure with your time in the car - extra torque or the comfort and toys of the Elegance.

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Does the 170 have more torque?  Only the power was higher in the older engines.  I have to say that my 140 feels perfectly adequate and no slower than the 170 I had in the Passat.

 

Overtaking on A roads etc is fine and economy is fine.  I would also be inclined to go 140 with Elegance toys but I would also want to test both as I don't know what, if any, the DSG will impact on the feel of the car.

140 HP version has 320 Nm

170 HP version has 350 Nm

I much prefer the seats in my SE to that of the Elegance - half leather/alcantara vs full leather.

Suggest you point the owners from the  Octavia III side over here as well

For me, the choice comes down to better build quality and more refinement in Superb vs better gadgets and a newer platform in Octavia.

I much prefer the seats in my SE to that of the Elegance - half leather/alcantara vs full leather.

Me too!

That is why I went for SE.

After 18 months (34k miles) in my Superb Greenline II Hatch I've just ordered an Octy III 1.6D Elegance after a weekend's test drive - choice was down to a Superb Greenline II facelift Estate or an Octy III Estate. Reasons for choosing the Octavia were:

• lower CO2 (99g/km vs 113g/km for Superb estate) (15% vs 18% company car tax for 2014/15 tax year),
• lower list price (£26k for the Octy with lots of extras, £27k for the Superb with less extras) - http://cc-cloud.skoda-auto.com/CarCard/48341243
• more kit on the Octy (nice looking 17"s as standard, Heated Windscreen, Uprated Sound System, space saver spare - none of which are even options on the Superb Greenline).
• better ride and handling (I love my Superb, but anyone who defends the handling of the Greenline II shouldn't be driving!), 
• 1.6TDI engine happier at low revs (Octavia was much happier at 30mph in 4th/40mph in 5th where the Superb starts to complain),
• improved electronics (newer Columbus is much more responsive, colour display graphics better etc etc),
• improved Climatronic - 0.5 degree increments and 16 degrees C minimum - in the winter I constantly have to shuffle the Superb AC between 18 and 19, or 19 and 20 degrees getting hot then cold, hot then cold!  Plus 18 degrees in the winter is too warm when all I want is a little cool (not cold) air blowing.
• interior big enough for 4 adults and a baby seat (I'd say easily as big as my 2006 Passat estate),
• front storage space better (whoever designed the Superb front door pockets was an idiot, or assumed a small pack of tissues was all anyone needed to keep close to hand!). Better front speaker placement too (why put them at the back, half way down the car?),
• boot big enough for a new washing machine (variable boot floor very clever) and with the seats down two old matresses and beds on a trip to the tip (sorry Skoda UK, I like to get the best out of any test drive!).
• monthly Total Cost of Ownership worked out £70/month cheaper than a Superb II Greenline estate (largely because of the lower CO2 and lower List price).

On the weekend's mainly urban driving it averaged just over 60mpg (which is the same as I get from the Superb) so my theory is at least as good as the Superb, and maybe approaching high 60's with some motorway in there, so the 50 litre tank isn't an issue as easily 650-700 miles between fill-ups (OK, the Superb is 800-850 miles a tank, but as I fill up every 400-500 miles, that's largely academic).

 

The Superb is great, and its been the most satisfying car I've had in years (much more satisfying than my A6 2.0TDI S-Line before!) but for me its an old car now (even with the facelift it's still 2005 underpinnings) and so the lighter, better handling, better equipped, better looking, more up-to-date Octavia was an easy choice having established it was big enough for the family.