Would be good to go on one of those days, we used to do a bit off road in the old defenders when I was in the army which was always good fun

Saw a newish RR Vogue 4.4 V8 derv getting lifted onto a recovery truck this morning. Owner looked none too pleased.

Saw another getting jump started today. Quite new again.

Thanks folks, after insisting on a petrol the first car she set eyes on was the one she wanted..... A v8 diesel because....... It is white, woman logic at its best

Can I ask how you're doing this? Is your approach to buy it cash and have a trade in value in X years in mind, so an idea of cost of ownership but tying up the capital. Or doing it on PCP type finance so you know exactly what it'll cost and you'll walk away in X years and no risk in between?

Would be good to go on one of those days, we used to do a bit off road in the old defenders when I was in the army which was always good fun

It should be offered to you, but I would actually ask for it.

I've been twice, both times to Eastnor Castle, and they are very worthwhile.

£29k's worth of Freelander with water over the bonnet is good fun!!

Good lunch too.

I have been on a LR Experience day at Rockingham Castle, got tickets after Dad bought his Range Rover. We had the choice of either using a stock car eg Disco 4 or dad's car!!

I always knew the LRs were capable vehicles but it wasn't until this that I truly appreciated it. What some of this vehicles can do is outstanding. They had a section where you cross a large hump and opposite is a mirror which shows off the axle articulation etc. Plus there are very very steep hills and plenty of water. Definately worthwhile.

Oh we took Dad's car round! But then got another voucher to go back and test the Disco as he then changed cars.

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Can I ask how you're doing this? Is your approach to buy it cash and have a trade in value in X years in mind, so an idea of cost of ownership but tying up the capital. Or doing it on PCP type finance so you know exactly what it'll cost and you'll walk away in X years and no risk in between?

it will be on a pcp type deal I would think, not really thought seriously about paying for one yet!!!!!!

PCP deals tend to be quite interesting on Range Rovers.

As the depreciation can vary quite a bit (in the slump 0f 2008 I got a three year old Vogue for £24k, which cost £65 new) and the lump of capital outstanding is quite large I tend to find it a rather expensive way of driving the vehicle.

If the earning potential is there, fair enough.

But burning £600-£800 per month just to have a late model "Range Rover" on the drive does require quite a desire for the vehicle over other things.

Plus you still have £460 in VED, around £500 for the yearly service, insurance etc... to pay on top.

Use it a bit and it doesn't take long before you could potentially see the cost of owning the vehicle at £1000 per month.

Unless you bag a bargain.

it will be on a pcp type deal I would think, not really thought seriously about paying for one yet!!!!!!

Cheers, cashflow not capital then.

Hmmm all this talk about 2010 Vogues and Autobiographies lol: some people are still doing ok :p Seriously though a 4.4 V8 BMW petrol would be a bargain as it drinks like a fish but would be fine for lowish miliage and it is a very tough engine, goes like stink and sounds the business. the 5.0 Supercharged also good but I remember Jeremy Clarkson getting the mpg on the computer to 5 mpg when he floored it . The 3.0 BMW straight 6 TD6 Diesel on pre 2007 cars is also tough and would give mid 20s mph but only 174 bhp and not quick (still nice and smooth if you just want to mooch about though). I think best bet if you can afford it would be a 2007 -2010 3.6 TDV8. They still fetch a whopping premium however as it is a terrific engine. Most recent pre new Rangie 4,4 TDV8 still priced for bankers :/

Edited 14 March, 201313 yr by Matt Bodycombe

The resale of petrols is appalling here. The first buyers don't care, they're spending that much that fuel cost is minimal. But at the second buyer level fuel economy is quite important, we are seeing petrols advertised for half the price of equivalent diesels.

The RRS is the same chassis as a D3/d4, but it's significantly shorter both in wheelbase and overall. The lower height (roofline) also means less wind resistance, better fuel economy and better handling. But the main reason to not buy a D3/D4, from the back they look like a sprinter van.

The 3.0tdv6 is a truely excellent engine. More torque than the NA petrols, will still pass the supercharged ones while they wait at the pump.

They never put the 3.0 jag based engine in Rangy here though brand new Rangy gets it. The BMW straight 6 is ok but just has to be wound up. 3.6 V8 is great and engine RR should have had from day one. Not been in new 4.4 Diesel but it sounds terrific.

P.S Wheeler Dealers had one on recently: 2002 TD6 which they sold on for 11k. If speed isn't your thing get a well looked after early TD6, put a plate on it, maybe do late model light conversion and people will never guess what you paid

Edited 15 March, 201313 yr by Matt Bodycombe

Brand New Range Rover doesn't get the 3.0 petrol engine in the UK market though I think.

I had a 2005 BMW engined Td6 and it was OK, but noisy when cold and very noisy when the viscous fan locked up. Not good enough for a RR IMO.

I agree, the V8 diesels suit the car very well.

P.S Wheeler Dealers had one on recently: 2002 TD6 which they sold on for 11k. If speed isn't your thing get a well looked after early TD6, put a plate on it, maybe do late model light conversion and people will never guess what you paid

Except for the clattery noise coming from the engine bay... and the other differences like the rear side windows.

But I doubt most people would notice... or care.

I meant Diesel lump boss: twin turbo job.Dunno what kiwi meant. Btw who hires the journos at pistonheads? A BMW 3.0 six diesel in a RR puts out more than 187 lb ft of torque : cretins...

Personally though i would not run a RR unless i lived in a rural area: nice but i tend to prefer small nimble vehicles. I would have an X3 2.0 d softroader with sane economy and emissions over one probably anyway!

Edited 15 March, 201313 yr by Matt Bodycombe

I unliked that after you mentied the X3.

It was going quite well until that edit.

Can't win em all matey! A mate of mine in Italy has the x3 and leant it to me for day when staying with him. Nice engine and liked the 8 speed auto too. Also handled well and gave good economy: what is not to like lol?

I think if she can ever make her mind up we will be looking for a post 2010 tdv8, on balance it seems the most sensible choice even if a range rover to nip to the shops in and do the school run certainly isn't a sensible choice!!!! I just wish I could work out what she actually wants as talk of Audi TT and merc slk keeps coming up too

Dunno what kiwi meant.

TDV6 in the RRS from the gist of his post.

I enjoy driving my F-i-L's ancient Freelander but I just can't conceive the cost of buying something 4x4 myself, let alone the daddy of them.

Edited 15 March, 201313 yr by 'daiking'

I think if she can ever make her mind up we will be looking for a post 2010 tdv8, on balance it seems the most sensible choice even if a range rover to nip to the shops in and do the school run certainly isn't a sensible choice!!!! I just wish I could work out what she actually wants as talk of Audi TT and merc slk keeps coming up too

Fashion accessory?

Pretty much, keeping up with the joneses springs to mind, I'm happy with my 25 year old golf (or will be when it goes back on the road) but she seems to have acquired some expensive tastes in the last few years lol

They never put the 3.0 jag based engine in Rangy here though brand new Rangy gets it. The BMW straight 6 is ok but just has to be wound up. 3.6 V8 is great and engine RR should have had from day one. Not been in new 4.4 Diesel but it sounds terrific.

I'm talking about the RRS with the 3.0tdv6. It's enough rangerover for most people with better fuel economy to boot. The GM gearboxes in the L322 td6 seem to be an expensive concern.

Unless someone has really deep pockets, used 'Range Rover Sports' are probably even more to be avoided than RR's.

The RRS up to the latest new ones needs the body off for major & sometimes even minor, engine, turbo, transmission, drivetrain work just the same as the Discovery 3 or 4.

george

On the positive side, they are surprisingly easy to split like that.

I believe they were designed to be seperated for any major work.

I have never seen the point of driving cars for bling factor. I always go for will a car suit a purpose ie put a smile on my face, practical etc. A 2010 plus RR TDV8 will be big bucks but you sound like you are well off if you are even in the market for one. My money would be on a Discovery 4 with the 3.0 V6 Diesel. It can seat Seven, plenty quick enough and a cheaper than a RR whilst doing pretty much the same job. Steve Cropley ran one in Autocar as a long termer and still opines that he did not buy the thing at the end of the test.

re Disco 3/4 & RRS.

Yes they are designed to be split as required, its going to be a LR Dealership or Specialist doing it obviously,

just 10 bolts or what ever. some disconnecting and removing, replacing and re-connecting.

Ist time ,

easy peasy, nice, not too old car, 2nd time a PITA, but hey hoe,

3rd or 4th owner no Service history etc and the bits and pieces might not be treated as well as the first or second time the body was lifted.

Its why complicated cars can be bargains or money pits, really down to who you know and what hourly rates you pay.

george

I have never seen the point of driving cars for bling factor. I always go for will a car suit a purpose ie put a smile on my face, practical etc. A 2010 plus RR TDV8 will be big bucks but you sound like you are well off if you are even in the market for one. My money would be on a Discovery 4 with the 3.0 V6 Diesel. It can seat Seven, plenty quick enough and a cheaper than a RR whilst doing pretty much the same job. Steve Cropley ran one in Autocar as a long termer and still opines that he did not buy the thing at the end of the test.

i actually really like the discovery, but its not my place to choose a car for my wife, she knows what she likes and will no doubt choose her new car on whatever screwed up criteria or fuzzy woman logic lol