Felicia fun backward indicators !?

[erooney]

So my fun indicates different ways to what I'm asking of it.

I thought it would be a simple earthing problem, but I found two at the front and had a look and a clean but all seemed fine. Fuses are fine too. And the thing that puzzles me, which I'm sure someone here can probably explain- the indicators all work fine when the ignition is on but not running. It's only when the cars running that there's a problem.

Oh and all the bulbs are fine.

Would be great to know if this has been a problem for anyone else or could suggest a solution.. Thanks

[felicia16v]

sooo, if the ign is on but the engine is not running they work as they should, but with the engine running it indicates left when you want to indicate right?

do they flash as normal but the wrong side?

drop the fuse box down and see if any wet is in there is all I can suggest really as I have never heard of that one, water in the fuse box does cause lots of strange faults tho so worth a try.

[adurer]

@erooney

You forgot to mention how the problem got started. That might help narrow the possible cause.

I thought it would be a simple earthing problem, but I found two at the front and had a look and a clean but all seemed fine. Fuses are fine too.

Two at the front? You mean in the engine bay?

Because there are 2 more earth points near the steering column.

[erooney]

It started after the head went but that's the only thing that's happened..

Didn't notice any moisture in the fuses when I checked them.

And I've checked the earths in the engine bay, where can I find the others?

And they flash normally but on the wrong side. Not always both the same size from what I can remember. (The engine is being out back together at the moment so I'm unable to verify)

[dohnjoe]

It started after the head went but that's the only thing that's happened..

yeah sure, no big deal, just the head 'went', whatever that means.

And I've checked the earths in the engine bay, where can I find the others?

I see that adurer answered to this question already.

pay attention.

And they flash normally but on the wrong side. Not always both the same size from what I can remember.

:o I don't think anyone can understand what this young girl is talking about.

in fact, the whole complaint is an electrical impossibility (key on, everything ok, engine running, all reversed ?? :o )

either somebody reversed 2 wires, or somebody is very confused.

my guess is the latter and all this is a false issue.

good luck!

[erooney]

This is not a false issue and no wires have been swapped.

Near was not specific

Blatantly not impossible because its happening.

[RainbowFire]

Erooney,

Firstly, welcome to Briskoda and to the joys of Fun ownership.

Secondly, feel free to ignore the chilly winds from the east. There's at least two people who understand what you're talking about.

Thirdly, As Felicia16V said, check out the fuse box and make sure all is dry in there. Windscreen seals on Felicias are notrious for not doing their job properly, so water can get into all sorts of unhelpful places. The relay/fuse plate is fairly easy to remove and inspect, and only goes back together one way round.

Is the timing interval of the flash correct?

Do the hazard lights work / work correctly?

[adurer]

Secondly, feel free to ignore the chilly winds from the east.

Pal, why don't you take your xenophobic rhetoric and go to Octavia section?

Feel free to debate technical issues if you have something important to say (which you don't) and lose that PR snake tone.

Your manners are far from normal and whatever you do, you can't hide your hate behind that deceiving, manipulative way of speaking. It's in your blood, that's how you function. So again, instead of that knight saving damsels in distress attitude, try solving the technical issue in discussion. Tell that to your approving-anything-you-say-clone too.

@erooney

You can't expect us help you when you are so confused about what is happening to your car. Yes, we've got the reversed operating sidelights part, but the rest is just nonsense. I understand you can't know too much at 20, and we want to help, but I only see a very quick, efficient solution to your problem: those who worked on your car are RESPONSIBLE to fix it properly, they know exactly what they disturbed. Another solution would be to say the rest of the things about your car repair you're holding back. We are not mind readers, just more or less amateur mechanics.

Edited 29 May, 2013 by adurer

[RainbowFire]

Adurer, if you actually read what I have written, you'll note that there's no arrogance or judgement when it comes to helping others. I've asked questions in that post too (oh, you missed those.)

However, feel free to elaborate on your "approving-anything-you-say-clone" comment as well. If others have the same PoV as myself about the Massterful way you strut around in here, I really cannot be held responsible for that.

Personally I wouldn't make comments about what people know at what age or sex either, but then maybe that's the culture I've been brought up in. (OOOO look that'll be closer to a xenophobic remark than everything you've deliberately mis-interpreted so far. ) At 20 it is easily possible to know quite a bit about cars (amongst other things). Let's face it, you and DohnJoe might be older than 20, but you don't know half as much as you think you do.......which is why even you come here to ask questions.

So, I'll tell you what: you leave your patronising arrogance behind, and I'll leave off your chilly east wind.

[dohnjoe]

@RainbowFire

adurer is right.

you behave like a venomous snake.

apparently good, with sugar and honey on your tongue.

but a trouble-maker in fact and a deceiver.

I am Jewish orthodox by religion, but I must confess in full honesty that you are worse than many of my own people that I admit they have a despicable character (for them is why everybody hates us as a whole).

you already have been arrogant and hateful to me, while others like TeflonTom help me with good answers.

learn from the others and STOP HATING.

@erooney

I am sorry you were caught in the middle.

If I made a mistake in judging your explanation, I apologize.

perhaps I don't understand your shorted phrases.

I agree with adurer, who disturbed your electrical system is mandatory to return a fixed car.

tell us in detail what caused this mystery.

Edited 29 May, 2013 by dohnjoe

[erooney]

I don't know what caused it. If I did then I could resolve the issue.

To be honest I'm not gonna bother elaborating, I'll just wait until I have the car back, play around and sort it myself.

Thanks to some of you for your help, I will investigate the thinks mentioned that I may have overlooked.

[fordfan]

It looks like the cold war is breaking out again, keep it on topic or it's time for the lock.

[adurer]

erooney

You will definitely need the turning lights full wiring that I assembled for you below.

I would start by checking/replacing the hazard lights switch, they fail sometimes and a faulty one could start that havoc you're describing. Next ones on the list are the sidelights switch and the headlights switch.

If I'm right, you have to come clean and tell us how you managed to blow the head No oil? No coolant? No problem when dashboard lights or gauge spell disaster? We won't laugh.

[felicia16v]

ok can you put up a pic of your engine bay next time you have the bonnet up, a close up of any wiring connections would be a good place to start too

play nice boys NOBODY knows everything however you might think and leave the racism at home eh , nobody needs to know what religion you believe you might be and it has no place here. I am impressed that non english speakers take the time to learn and type in english but sometimes wonder if things get a bit lost in translation.

remember "every day is a schoolday" I have worked on Felicia's (at a skoda service agent then,specialist now) since the first one rolled into the Uk and still find things that I have not come across before

[erooney]

Thanks adurer

No idea what caused the head gasket to fail, the oil was apparently getting into the cylinder.

I thought I solved the symptoms of juddering by replacing ignition leads and plugs ect but after a week oil was getting to the plugs.

A local garage suggested scrapping the fun and couldn't tell me any more (I won't be returning there)

[RainbowFire]

A local garage suggested scrapping the fun and couldn't tell me any more (I won't be returning there)

Many places that don't know what they're looking at will suggest this. Happily the engine is identical to the one from the hatch and estate. So the worst case scenario is an engine transplant. If you're not shy of change, there are several alternatives to the original engine. The 1.4 16v is a fairly popular choice. (Newer technology engine, with more power straight out the box) There have been a couple of diesel/turbo diesel ones done too.

Whilst not being as good as it once was: a Haynes manual is a useful addition to your toolkit too.

[robk1]

ok can you put up a pic of your engine bay next time you have the bonnet up, a close up of any wiring connections would be a good place to start too

play nice boys NOBODY knows everything however you might think and leave the racism at home eh , nobody needs to know what religion you believe you might be and it has no place here. I am impressed that non english speakers take the time to learn and type in english but sometimes wonder if things get a bit lost in translation.

remember "every day is a schoolday" I have worked on Felicia's (at a skoda service agent then,specialist now) since the first one rolled into the Uk and still find things that I have not come across before

A quality comment Jim & I'm sure I speak for many members who value & benefit from your approach & depth of knowledge!

[erooney]

Looks like it probably the fuse board. I can't find and visible signs of water and haven't Noticed any problems with the window seal. But the fuel pump makes a noise when the hazards are on with the ignition on.

[felicia16v]

Ahh take it out and dry it , its onlt a 10mm nut for the power lead and a few wiring plugs to remove it completly, then seperate it and put somewhere hot for a while, a good dosing of WD40 may help you out too

[erooney]

right. I've replaced the fuse board.

I have indicators with the ignition on - functioning correctly but the first click is slightly longer than a normal one and then they continue at regular intervals.

when the engine is running I have solid lights on the correct sides now but no flash. I've replaced relays 7 & 8 and I believe 5 is for the fuel pump that was coming on when it shouldn't. if I pull it out as the engine is running the indicators flash just before the engine cuts out due to insufficient fuel. I'm going to replace that tomorrow and see if I get any further.

my main problem should then be a terminal along the top of the fuseboard, that I have found to be damaged. The top were there is effectively a small clip has broken away. so the terminal doesn't stay clipped in, meaning that without wedging it I have no wipers or lights (not good when you were about to drive home at 11 pm) that's currently holding but not an ideal solution. (its the green terminal on the left side, cant be more specific at this moment as its dark and the cars outside)

I was wandering if anyone knew what the best way to acquire one would be (I'm assuming scrappy or breaker but thought I would ask in case someone already knew a source)

[adurer]

Thumbs up for keeping us posted till (eventually) the issue will be solved. Very few topics in this section have the final feedback frop OP.

So basically the problem is worse than before changing fusebox, relays, etc. Fuseboxes can differ slightly from model to model.

I guess that broken clip has nothing to do with your initial issue, just an additional pita. Did you try changing the hazard lights switch? At least unplug its socket and then test again left/right directional lights. The idea is to exclude any potential crossover shorts.

Edited 5 June, 2013 by adurer

[erooney]

Not yet, that's next on my list after I change the relay. To access the hazard switch am I right in thinking there are 5 screws around the dash area then it pulls out?

The problem is now consistent so shouldn't be so confusing. I believe the clip was already broken as it was the easiest to remove.

[adurer]

To access the hazard switch am I right in thinking there are 5 screws around the dash area then it pulls out?

Yes. Look for corrosion, melting, or any other obvious tampering signs, although the switch contacts inside may be shorted.

Have you looked at all lamps inside and at connectors? Front, side, rear. Water may seep in causing possible shorts.

One last advice is to do the 'wiggle test'. See video below as an example.

[erooney]

I got a new terminal block from a scrap yard yesterday, just did the swap and that was a success. And I'm about to tackle the hazard switch and indicators.

Replacing the relay I was suspicious of did not help..

[erooney]

SUCCESS (ish)

Indicators are a loose wire on the stalk. Not sure exactly which one but slight play fixes it and unless I move things around it seems to stay okay for now. The only problem being, when I accessed the back if the hazard switch I pulled something too hard and popped off the speedo cable. After pushing it back on I have no working speedo..