Latest update: Dealership have confirmed that the car is using 800ml of oil per 1000 km and is therefore out of tolerance. Usual course of action would be short engine rebuild; however the car had this done at 8500 miles, so probably looking at new engine.

 

Given that the car was a used approved car and less than 6 weeks old to me, it might be a refund. Awaiting on dealership to come back to me but damn I did like that car.....

Latest update: Dealership have confirmed that the car is using 800ml of oil per 1000 km and is therefore out of tolerance. Usual course of action would be short engine rebuild; however the car had this done at 8500 miles, so probably looking at new engine.

 

Given that the car was a used approved car and less than 6 weeks old to me, it might be a refund. Awaiting on dealership to come back to me but damn I did like that car.....

That last sentence is how most of us feel.

Shame VW Group cocked up with this initially highly fan fared engine and gearbox combo and can't own up too it!

Latest update: Dealership have confirmed that the car is using 800ml of oil per 1000 km and is therefore out of tolerance. Usual course of action would be short engine rebuild; however the car had this done at 8500 miles, so probably looking at new engine.

 

Given that the car was a used approved car and less than 6 weeks old to me, it might be a refund. Awaiting on dealership to come back to me but damn I did like that car.....

If they offer you money back grab it and run !

Another member on Briskoda had an Oil Consumption test done,

& they said in the report that it it not use too much oil.

They charged him for doing the test. £137.28 (I hope he has now been refunded & compensated.)

*This is the report. Linked below on the left.

some might know that the correct capacity is 3.6 litres of oil.

1 litre of engine oil is 856 grams @ 15*oC

a litre of Engine oil still in a bottle weighs about 900 grams

Yet they seem to think 1 litre of oil weighs 1000 grams, so they do not even start the test with the correct amount of oil if the did weigh it.

It does not weigh 1000 grams at 88*oC either.

*Skoda Dealership Technicians often not fit for purpose.*

The 2 old Sheets on the right are how you would do a proper Oil Consumption/usage test, a Dynamic Test.

Still just a short driving Test and Multiply the results to equate to 1000 km or so.

They say 'may use 0.5 litres per 1000 km',

so unless a car is being used over 621 miles and needs more than 0.5 litres to top up,

or 1242 or more to see if it uses over 0.5 litres or 1 litre,

tell them to forget their Tests as they are not representative of real world driving

when just being done as 300km or 100km of driving and then multiplied.

If you know it uses more than 1 litre every 1200 miles, of normal UK driving

you know they can not say all is OK.

Right finally got some figures back - busy Christmas!

Jug empty: 299g

Jug full of oil: 3263g

Jug after filling: 315g

After 300 km

Jug empty: 298g

Jug after draining: 3160g

Their claimed usage is: 0.804 ltr / 1000 km

What do you think?

Right finally got some figures back - busy Christmas!

Jug empty: 299g

Jug full of oil: 3263g

Jug after filling: 315g

After 300 km

Jug empty: 298g

Jug after draining: 3160g

Their claimed usage is: 0.804 ltr / 1000 km

What do you think?

Quick answer, and bearing in mind I have been at the Port this evening, is that they are wrong.

I calculate that in your 300 km you have consumed 86g of oil. Assuming a density of 0.9 kg/l for the oil I believe you have a consumption rate of 318.52 l/1000 kms.

But then what do I know?

Quick answer, and bearing in mind I have been at the Port this evening, is that they are wrong.

I calculate that in your 300 km you have consumed 86g of oil. Assuming a density of 0.9 kg/l for the oil I believe you have a consumption rate of 318.52 l/1000 kms.

But then what do I know?

Well that's exactly what I got 86g and assumed a density of 0.856 so got to a very similar consumption figure; hence posting it here as I (or them) must be missing something....

Well that's exactly what I got 86g and assumed a density of 0.856 so got to a very similar consumption figure; hence posting it here as I (or them) must be missing something....

Density will be somewhere between 0.8 and 0.9 kg/l, sorry couldn't be bothered to track down a tech data sheet for castrol edge (guess your using this?) so just assumed the 0.9. However, if they are going to do something about your excessive oil consumption don't tell them.

So using too much oil, result and cause for them to correct under Warranty.

Almost the same amount as in the test results in the thread posted below.

(So are they saying a Breather Valve will resolve things on this one)?

 

Up to you if you are going to accept a new engine or reject the car.

** If you like the vRS, why not ask the Dealer if they want to find you another car, or Skoda UK do,

and do not accept a car that has already had the engine out once for the rebuild.**

 

This weeks Test results a Member posted of a before and after result from a Skoda Dealership shows they worked it out as a litre of oil being 857 Grams.

 

At the start of the test on his car, the 3.6 litres was weighed as 3085.2 grams.

The 2 test results are showing in the Oil Thread down the page.

 

Then the second test after the new Breather Valve is fitted reduced his oil used greatly.

'Fabia vRS mark 2 oil usage & DSG Problem', post #65

 thread started by Andy2509

 

In the figures posted above, #54

a jug that becomes 1 gram lighter between being used is rather an odd thing unless it is a typo, 299 grams & 298 grams.

& after Filling, 315 grams

??Did it still have 16 grams of oil left in it first time?

*accuracy & detail is nice, but if 16 grams can remain in a Jug, then how much can stay in an engine/sump/turbo and not get weighed.*

 

What a total waste of time test. But at least with it drinking oil at the rate it does, you got the necessary result.

300 km driven and the usage of oil is not a figure that Skoda/VW print anyplace, and multiplying by 3.34 or what ever is neither here or there.

Not representative of 1000 km covered over several days or weeks of normal stop start and cold start driving,

say a tank and a half worth of petrol use, how ever long that takes you to do.

 

They say "The oil consumption may be as much as  0.5 litres in 1000 km" (621 miles),

so that is the figure you need to hold them to until

some court shows that as a ridiculous amount of oil for an engine to be expected or acceptable to use

after it has been run in, where it might be expected to have higher oil usage.

"during the first 5000 km" they say.

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/292278-fabia-vrs-mark2-oil-usage-and-dsg-problems/page-3

Hi all. Sorry to jump in one this thread but I've found it an interesting read.

 

I knew about the high oil usage but I was shocked by how much mine was using. Mine is a 2010 bought second hand from Skoda and under warranty etc etc. I've done no technical measurement but the car has had about 2 litres of oil in around 1000 miles (again all approx). Anyway I had a curtesy call on Tuesday asking if everything was ok with the car and I thought I would mention the high oil consumption. It went in today for an inspection and was told they need to do a consumption test over 600 miles. After leaving it with them I had a follow up call to say they are fitting a new breather pipe and the car will be ready tomorrow. I think I can rightly assume it hasn't had the mod before and that they may suspect there to be a problem (they filled the oil up a month ago for me when not even registering on the dipstick).

 

I wasn't aware of the engine rebuilds as a fix so I'm keen to see what the outcome is. Anyway, just a note to thank everyone posting up the useful info regarding the tests.

No need to accept an Engine Rebuild done in house by a dealership workshop.

 

Push for a New Engine, full or short engine.

The Warranty is there to ensure you have a working car,  

and a new set of piston rings on a 3 year old engine/car is really not an acceptable solution.

Not even new, rings, pistons and main bearings.

 

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/294051-cave-cthe-14tsi-just-reply-please-if-you-have-had-an-engine-replaced

The ECU upgrade should have been done to any MK2 vRS from 2010- 2011/12  CAVE Engine if required, done at the 2nd Inspection Service..

 

Where has that info come from?

 

The Skoda TPI on oil consumption tests says to measure it over 300km, that's where the dealerships are getting the info from. Why it's that, I don't know. Makes more sense to me to do it over a full 1000km as then there is less room for error. But I guess when they've got customer's screaming at them about using so much oil they're going to look at ways to cut down on diagnosis time.

It used to be over a longer distance, that much I do remember

Where did the ECU information come from?

 

From Technicians that had to carry out ECU Updates, but many on 2010 cars were missed on the 1st Service (Minor Service.)and were not picked up on until the 2nd 'Inspection Service'. 

Demonstrators from 2010 might have had a First Oil Change at around 3 - 4,000 miles, then got the ECU Upgrade when the new owner complained of High Oil Usage.

Others were in for the Second Service in the Service Book but at only 12 months old and got the Update.

 

If you want to see the Original Oil Consumption Test Procedure i have copies of that,

Done over only 100 km on road, but much more accurate, because it told you how many times the Cooling fan must cut in,

how to carry out the 'Dynamic Test', and the weighing was accurate, and left little doubt on how to test the engine.

You were told that 1 litre of oil is 856 grams @ 15 *oC.

(Saves the likes of one muppet recently doing a Test & report on a members engine

that had the Oil as weighing 1000 grams per litre) at the start of the test)