Guys play nicely or we will be left with no choice but to lock the thread.

 

Maybe a re-read of the rules http://www.briskoda.net/guidelines

Actually the weight at the front will be disturbed as well, in the opposite direction. Because the car is now sitting too low and too soft at the back end which is much heavier, and much further behind the axle than the Golf (quite a crucial point) the front will be unloaded to the point of the steering being lighter and causing more understeer.

The whole argument regarding mk4 springs seems to be weight rating plus the fact the Octavia has a boot and that's why they sinkat the back. But like iI've said I fitted Octavia vrs specific cobra springs and the car still sank at the back. It isn't just mk4 golf springs that do this loads of people on here have had this issue. Nice to know these safety issues havnt surfaced though!

Meaty101 it feels great as a mechanic nothing seems out of place and by god she sticks to the road bettee now to get arb's and more modding this site is goin to cost me loads lol

From my own experience of this when looking at different types of suspesion to consider, the only spring/damper that I have found that maintains a reasonable rear stance without going to coilovers are Koni FSD/H&R springs.

 

I think the truth with a lot of the aftermarket springs is that whilst the companies my say they are a direct replacement for the vrs, experience of using them, especially with 4 adults in the car results in a bone jarring ride as the rear springs hit the bump stops.

 

I was watching a thread a while back when a fella on here fitted Eibachs on here, but unfortunately he has not updated the thread recently. I have used Eibachs in the past and found them very good on other cars, but they are not listed as compatable for the vrs - presumably for the overhang issue that Meaty101 mentioned earlier.

 

As I have a back issue, ride quality is very important to me, but I do not see that the car cannot become stiffer without becoming a bone jarring mess. Keep us posted on this, will be interested how these perform as they settle.

Meaty101 it feels great as a mechanic nothing seems out of place and by god she sticks to the road bettee now to get arb's and more modding this site is goin to cost me loads lol

Well I'm glad your happy with it buddy I'm pretty sure the car will be fine. I've drove a few octavias with mk4 golf lowering springs and they handled very well.

From my own experience of this when looking at different types of suspesion to consider, the only spring/damper that I have found that maintains a reasonable rear stance without going to coilovers are Koni FSD/H&R springs.

I think the truth with a lot of the aftermarket springs is that whilst the companies my say they are a direct replacement for the vrs, experience of using them, especially with 4 adults in the car results in a bone jarring ride as the rear springs hit the bump stops.

I was watching a thread a while back when a fella on here fitted Eibachs on here, but unfortunately he has not updated the thread recently. I have used Eibachs in the past and found them very good on other cars, but they are not listed as compatable for the vrs - presumably for the overhang issue that Meaty101 mentioned earlier.

As I have a back issue, ride quality is very important to me, but I do not see that the car cannot become stiffer without becoming a bone jarring mess. Keep us posted on this, will be interested how these perform as they settle.

If I hadn't marked mine when I fitted them I would have sent them back. The car didn't sit right at the back. Probably over 50mm drop but only 30 at the front. The ride was awful too. Bouncing back off the bump stop. It was only through perseverance having some new spacer/seats made i got it sitting and driving nice. But you shouldn't have to do that. Mine isn't spine shattering. Its a bit stiffer but its still a comfy car which is what I wanted. When funds allow I might switch to h&r I'll keep a look out.

Reverse rake FTL!

Absolutely hate reverse rake

Reverse rake FTL!

Absolutely hate reverse rake

Oh yes.... Its not a good look!!

Its not so much that it's a bad look, but if they settle too far, then you will stand the risk of inducing understeer in to the car, as the corner loads are altered during poisitive/negative throttle - braking if it has not already.

 

Provided you are aware of the condition, it may not catch you out, but not sure i would want to be bothered as I like the general manners of the octavia which are fairly safe.

 

This is all immaterial, as the op wanted to achieve a change which he is happy with, whether we would do the same is a matter for us to think on. Provided the pros/cons argument is made clear for others looking in on this thread, so they can make an informed judgement, then I wish ash_1909 well with his choice, and I hope they do all he wants them to do

Put non vrs eibach a on mine which dropped it 14mm ish had all the arguments about weight but really??? They are supplied for a 1.8t hatch and mines a vrs 1.8t hatch!!! So the weight difference is what??? A tank of fuel???? People use non standard parts all the time trial and error rules! I'm sure Vito drop links weren't meant for a vrs on coilovers were they.

If it works stick with it mate

I take what you are saying there, and I am sure that the back of a 1.8t is not that much static weight difference to an octavia 1.8t. But if you think of it as a man with a shovel trying to lift a paving stone, it will be vastly easier to move it if he leans on the end of the shovel, than if he leaned much further down near the shovel head.

 

In the case of our cars the analogy works in reverse, there is more effort pushing down on the spring when moving because of the overhang which affects the dynamic loads under braking and acceleration. The vrs runs a tt type layout suspension system at the front to try to minimise the forces of squat and dive for this reason.

 

As you've said anything can be made to work,  but we should be cautious what we recomend or guide people not do, as we do not always know what level of ability/knowledge the person has looking in on here, and one mans "good job" is another mans nightmare waiting to happen.

 

The beauty of forums is that you can pass on personal experiences, so long as they are taken as just that. Judging by the general posts on here, I think most of us know "where its at" with this sort of stuff.

Well im more than happy with the way it looks and as for handling i have really pushed it thru lanes today with real good bend and hold better than it did before and get to push it harder its alot more of a better car to drive and look at so i have achived my target

As long as your happy, then all is good.

Put non vrs eibach a on mine which dropped it 14mm ish had all the arguments about weight but really??? They are supplied for a 1.8t hatch and mines a vrs 1.8t hatch!!! So the weight difference is what??? A tank of fuel???? People use non standard parts all the time trial and error rules! I'm sure Vito drop links weren't meant for a vrs on coilovers were they.

If it works stick with it mate

I have to agree. And I'm pretty certain the springs will be designed with a weight range upper or lower as well to account for a full car of passengers/full boot etc.

At the end of the day modifying cars isn't as simple as buying parts made for your car- it's all about trial and error. That's half the fun in modifying a car, trying things nobody else has done and seeing it work. WIll he be able to carry 2 ton of compost in his boot with those springs? Nope but I seriously doubt he bloody wants to! If he's like me then his car is going to be modified as a hobby and taken to shows and meets so he can show off his hard work. We do it as a hobby, we do it as part of our social life. We don;t do it so some bloke ona a forum can come along and bitch about it not meeting manufacturer's specs- do you really think a modifier cares? The whole point of modifying is to build up on the manufacturer specs and make the car unique, make the car handle better, make the car more powerful- does it look better? Yes, does it handle better than stock? Yes...that means mission accomplished. 

 

Well said nerd

I have to agree. And I'm pretty certain the springs will be designed with a weight range upper or lower as well to account for a full car of passengers/full boot etc.

Having just spoken to Eibach on another issue for somebody else on a modified roadspring, I can say that is definately so. Their issue is a type approval one on other cars not listed.

Looks good welshy! Sits better than mine does, I bought my springs as they were advertised as Vrs springs "45mm drop".....awesome! 

 

So I thought  :think:

 

Think these were generic octavia springs, the arse end is indeed on its arse, but the front barely dropped....and is made even worse because the rear is so low it's pulling the nose up 

 

Coilovers needed!!!

Looks good welshy! Sits better than mine does, I bought my springs as they were advertised as Vrs springs "45mm drop".....awesome!

So I thought :think:

Think these were generic octavia springs, the arse end is indeed on its arse, but the front barely dropped....and is made even worse because the rear is so low it's pulling the nose up

Coilovers needed!!!

Do you know the spring manufacturer? I've mentioned before, some of these springs really are not good enough. Mine were cobra 30mm and took a bit of work to get the car right.I'm glad I bashed on with them though the car is spot on now.

Do you know the spring manufacturer? I've mentioned before, some of these springs really are not good enough. Mine were cobra 30mm and took a bit of work to get the car right.I'm glad I bashed on with them though the car is spot on now.

These are cobra's too mate, I can live with how low the rear is but the front is bugging me.... I like my cars on their bellies lol

What I did was I used vw top mounts. A few on here recommended I use them. I got a 15mm drop just with those. Ive also seen strut top plates on eBay claiming another 10mm drop. Youve got options it just takes a bit more work than coilovers.

What I did was I used vw top mounts. A few on here recommended I use them. I got a 15mm drop just with those. Ive also seen strut top plates on eBay claiming another 10mm drop. Youve got options it just takes a bit more work than coilovers.

Which top mounts did you use mate?

Vw polo 6n. I'll get a part number.

Nice 1 mate! Gotta be worth trying rather than forking out for coilovers

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/290268-polybush-top-mounts/?fromsearch=1

Have a look through this. Its a chat we had a while ago. You'll need some modified top plates but its easy enough to do. Its all in there.