Owners Manual.

 

I have a 2010 Owners manual.

 

I think it fails to mention that 7 speed DSG in 'D' is a 6 speed in 'S'.

 or maybe i just never found were it tells you that.

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MY BAD, IT IS ON PAGE 100,   'Position for Sporty style of  Driving.'    (This will be Skodas  'Dynamic & Emotional')

 

 

just looked again.

I forgot the little gem, about starting in 'P' or 'N', but below 10*oC it only starts in 'P'.

 

Owners Manuals are Full of useful information,

yet sometimes writting them before a car is released.

& then updating cars and not doing revised copies of Owners Manuals can be a problem.

That's odd because I don't really suffer that on my CAVE.  D can be a bit indecisive at times for sure, but never run into this in Manual.  Less so since I had the remap weirdly, they do say the engine map and throttle/DSG map work very closely together.

 

On the Dyno no real issues either once the tech at Awesome remembered he couldn't push past the kickdown switch itself.

 

Personally I would have the kickdown written out of the map completely if I ever stumped up the £500.00 for a DSG/throttle remap.  Also understand vRSy's comments on the very non linear way the accelerator pedal works.

some didnt sparkly.... some were ok. I figure they must have changed the map on the DSG at some point.... I was assuming it was at the CTHE because of my experiances of the difference....(big difference, changes the way the car drives in every mode!) maybe they changed the DSG map at some random time....

(I take it your DSG 6 operates the same then! lol...)

 

Yup!

 

Although I don't had paddles on the wheel :(

 

Phil

The dry clutch DSGs will drop to 7th is S mode when cruise is activated (at least on the 1.2tsi, maybe the VRS is the same).

Yes but it is not actually in 'S', when you are in 'D 7' put on Cruise Control then move the stick to 'S'.

It is at the same RPM.

 

I have a Twincharger that does shift up to 'S7' under full throttle at something above 127 mpg.

There were a few early models that do i.

some didnt sparkly.... some were ok. I figure they must have changed the map on the DSG at some point.... I was assuming it was at the CTHE because of my experiances of the difference....(big difference, changes the way the car drives in every mode!) maybe they changed the DSG map at some random time....

 

Who knows, seems like each one of these leaves the factor with it's own set of quirks.

 

'D' Mode can on occasions be a dog in mine for dropping down at the wrong time and bogging down the engine, usually though that is due to me being thoughtless about throttle modulation (early morning/late evening tired etc).

 

'S' Mode I found to be initially fun for being aggressive, but then later realised it was hopeless as it held the revs too high to get the best from the engine, but then it became much much more relevant again after the remap and suits the car far better now.

 

'M' Mode is really where it's at for enjoying the car, however it comes at a price ime, dropping mpg from a 40mpg pootle around town to 15-18mpg on a B Road Blast.

Sk4gw, I meant the other way around, being in S mode then activating cruise, I think it shows S7 (though I could be mistaken).

Yes it displays 'S7' as i thought you could see in the pictures,  

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It is not in 'S7'  it is in 'D7' but displaying as 'S7'.     You know that because of the rpm and road speed.

 

No idea about the DSG in a 1.2 tsi and what it does.

Although this has gone a bit off-topic already, back in the OP's statement: There is no Manual S mode. In the topic's title you write Manual but then you say I was in S mode which is just a more agressive auto mode, so, perfectly normal to drop a gear or two even if you half-floor it (not having to do with the actual kick-down switch). Temporarily showing manual with the stick in S I am not sure it's a trully Manual mode, hence the downshift maybe?

 

I drive 90% of the time in manual (stick being in +/- not just temporary override) and I can not recalling it ever down-shifting unless I deliberately bury my feet trying to hit the kickdown switch which is a different thing. But in D or S, surely it does take some initiative to assist in what it thinks you are doing. Btw, the S mode is utterly useless. Needlessly holding at around 3K rpm no matter the speed. It's either manual or D for me, and usually manual unless stuck in city traffic.

Edited 10 February, 201412 yr by newbie69

Yes it displays 'S7' as i thought you could see in the pictures,  

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It is not in 'S7'  it is in 'D7' but displaying as 'S7'.     You know that because of the rpm and road speed.

 

No idea about the DSG in a 1.2 tsi and what it does.

 

Surely it is still in sport mode though? Hence why it shows S.

 

Seems to make more sense that S normally just uses up to 6th but then the car thinks "oh, cruise control is on. Might as well use 7th".

 

Phil

Dont call me Shirley.!

 

Well you might think that but you would be wrong.

What gives the proof of the pudding is driving one, & drive in 'S' and drive in 'D'.

 

It is funny how those that do not drive a Twincharger say should happen,

Just try one and see what does happen.

 

I only have it on Cruise Control and displaying 'S7'  to take the picture.

 

I do sometimes use Cruise Control to compare to see on my daily route the difference between my gears throttle and revs choice

and Cruise controls.

I drive more economically than Cruise Control does.  I get off the throttle sooner and keep momentum at the very efficient 2,400 RPM, Cruise does not.  It does not see the slight incline coming or consider the decline before the incline and has to increase the RPM to keep to the speed.

 

And seriously,

the Twincharger in Cruise Control does not do 'S', it is just a clitch that displays 'S7'.

But the ratios are surely the same, regardless of.sport or.drive selection? Perhaps I'm I missing something.

Yes you are, the ratios are the same,  So 'S', lets you rev higher before a change up.

Dependent on the Revs & roadspeed, between 2,400 & 3,500 and engine load/demand,

will depend on if the Supercharger is required and it will cut in if required.

 

But we are talking about Showing 'S 7',  

which is why i am saying in Cruise Control it displays 'S' but is not in 'S' Mode.

 

Do you know what speed the car would be at in 'S 6' in cruise,

because if the road speed was within the NSL it would be down to '5th'

Sounds like a bit of an academic argument George, 7th gear is 7th gear regardless of whether you are in D or S?

 

If ratio's are admittedly the same and the gear change to revs argument doesn't mean much as there isn't anywhere to change up to from 7 surely S7 and D7 would be identical, the only argument is that S mode doesnt shift up into 7 normally? therefore S7 doesn't exist?

 

The only realy question I see is why on earth anyone would drive in S mode and use cruise?

...because when flick cruise off it then drops immediately to 6th ;-)

On what,  a 1.2 tsi or a 1.4 tsi Twincharger?  

 

have you driven a Twincharger and used 'S' with cruise Control on?

 

Later on i will drive one again, & play about with it.

but then i do regularly and am kind of familiar with the system.

Well, i thought lets go see 'again',  

so i borrowed a vRS, and went for a drive, and got a surprise,

there was no Cruise Control, but there was an APR Map and a switchable Stalk, nice, and also 'Kick down switch at half throttle if wanted'.

 

So Cruise Control and 'S', Mode.  so into a  CTHE Twincharger.

Try it yourself its easy to try and see the practice rather than the theory..

 

Drive in 'S' say at 60 mph and that might be in '4 S',  

put on Cruise Control,  it changes immediately  to a higher gear and lower RPM, 'S5' or more likely 'S6',

 **or that is what it shows.**

it has actually gone to 'D 6' and is maintaining the speed.  

 

Switch off the Cruise control and it revs its nuts again and is in 'S4'. 

 

Switch off

So was the switchable stalk an aftermarket fit just to make changes to the APR Map George?

 

Who did that? I know Awesome will fit a full cruise stalk for people with out but never heard of a map only stalk.

 

Also how were you instigating kickdown at half throttle (not doubting, just interested)

Not my car,

i am only painting it, so i have to ask, but i think it has been bought as is, and he will not know.   So calm sooch a wee while and we will see.

 

The CTHE is as nippy though!!!

 

re Half throttle, & kickdown.

just where it is, maybe 2 thirds down,  40-50 mph, push the throttle, with a light throttle/pressure supercharger,

but different pressure choice drop 

1 gear or 2 gears, thats kick down.

The throttle is no where near the traditional Automatic Kickdown.

No need to floor it to get Kickdown, and i love from 7th, double kickdown, first press then again with more throttle

7th, to 5th & then maybe to 3rd, depends on road speed and engine load.

Not in a 40 mph limit though.

So calm sooch a wee while and we will see.

 

Can this poor Englishman get a translation George ?

Omg, George and his obsession with the S7 again... (not forgetting the blurry pics that always come with it). He has a tendency to transform every DSG topic to a "can it go on 7th gear in S?" one. Haven't you proven this like 100 times already? Why do we have to read all the same again every time. This has nothing to do with the OP's question which was indeed very specific. But unfortunately any useful information is now certainly lost in that OFF-TOPIC ocean about what happens after 6th gear and whose car can go on S7 and whose can't blah blah blah.

Sparkly,

We will have to wait to find out, he is away working until the 19th or so..

 

newbie 69,   lol.  sorry dude.

just ignore me and move on maybe and read the Official Figures as given to you by Skoda, 

and then say, 'They are all the same', what difference can 5kg make.

 

I did think the OP was about covered in the first page of posts and the topics were changing a little, so sorry again.

 

And as to no Manual 'S' mode, no there is not.

But you can Redline it in every gear in Manual,

Or even not do any manual upshifts in manual, to 2nd, 3rd or 4th, and the car will do them automatically.

to save it from destruction.

Redlining in each gear if you give it that amount of throttle.