well as an oil burning/using vrs Ive used quite a few bottles of the stuff over the years but on clearing out my boot (yes im sad i keep them) ive noticed the dealer has sold me different oils. i have several shell Helix ultra AG 5w30 which meets ACEA A3 spec but also i have one helix ultra AV-L which is VW 504 00 spec

i know i should have noticed myself but as im pouring this stuff in every 3 tankfulls i didn't think to check the codes on the back, after all a dealer sold me it, but can it do any harm, with the amount im using will it actually matter?

 

also whilst on the subject of oil, can anyone recommend where i can buy it in bigger quantity's, Halfords dont sell shell or should i just buy any VW 502 00 spec oil. sick of going to the dealers for 1 Ltr at a time and considering they've sold me different specs id rather not goto them anymore

The cheapest for the correct spec Castrol in my experience is Costco.

£30 for 4 litres,sometimes down to about £25 when on offer.

Tesco & Asda own brand and no doubt others do Full Synthetic to VW 502/VW 504  in 5w/30 or 5w 40

Or go to your local Motor Factor.

 

But keep Receipts and get your Oil refunded  by Skoda UK when they admit you need a new engine,

& charge them for any other expenses you are going to have to suffer.

**Keep a record of miles covered and the amount of oil you are using.**

BE CAREFUL TO NOT OVERFILL THE OIL.

 

Are you going to be having an Oil Consumption test done and seeing about warranty work on your engine, 

or replacement of your engine?

Or have they already done the Oil Consumption tests then a Breather Valve Mod & ECU Update ?

It is always wise to top up with the same oil as has been used at the change.  My preference is same spec, same brand the works as is already in the engine.

 

If you are topping up every three tanks, how much are you putting in each time?  Have you tried not topping up, how quickly would that lead to the light coming on from your experience?

 

I am only asking because I am convinced some people out there are over topping the oil and the engine spends the next 500-1000 miles burning off the excess.

In mine, I've found consumption to drop slightly on Castrol Edge 5w40 (the one with the Turbo-Diesel label) instead of the 5w30 the dealer had put in after the first services. A thickness thing? It was certainly better though. Strangely, after the last service they've also switched to 5w40...

 

Buy yourself one of these: http://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-719-castrol-edge-turbo-diesel-fst-5w-40-advanced-synthetic-engine-oil.aspx

 

Great value, great performance and you should be well for quite some time, depending on your usage that is. No point really in travelling back and forth to the dealer for expensive 1L bottles.

At our starting and running temperatures, in Europe

say -10*oC starting to 35*oC Ambient Summers,

 

there is not a thickness in oil difference to make a Twincharger use oil or not.

between  5w 30  & 5w 40

 

There can be better performing oils that has the engine run a few degrees cooler oil temp, 

in normal or more spirited driving.

 

Skoda recommendation is Castrol, They have that on your car possibly.

the dealers use 'Quantum III Long life' or not Long Life.

Same difference as Castrol.

 

(Cheap to buy 'Comma Full Synthetic' 5w 30 or 5w 40 to VW 504 or 507,

check who manufactures that,  a good buy IMO)

 

george

 

PS, my interest in oil thickness and performance is not from 1.4 TSI engines,

but goes back to running V8's and on LPG, and using 20/50 classic oils,

for the thickness, and better compression,

sometimes on not so tight engines.

http://moto-oil.co.uk/castrol-oils/castrol-edge-fst/castrol-edge-5w-30-fst-fully-synthetic-engine-oil-

cheers guys, to answer a few questions

i always check my oil at normal oil temp, wait 10 minutes and park in the same place everytime, never adding more than 0.5 ltr at any one time

 

George, this is my second engine, after covering 7k since replacement i went through a series of oil consumption testing, first one i did 1k, oh sorry sir the tech has mixed up the details and its not working out, could you do it again but this time for 750 miles

@ 750 miles sorry sir but its not working out correctly could we ask you to do it again but this time for 186 miles

Both times i went in they had to topup the oil as the dipstick was dry

3rd time after 186 miles, ok sir weve dont the test your car has passed

i was so gobsmacked you could have slapped me with a wet kipper at which point i just turned around and though F### the lot of yous ill just buy oil myself and wont waste my time with you lot anymore as im sure you just keep dropping the mileage until you get a result that passes

 

i made my feelings clear to skoda UK, ive been offered another free service to which ill use another dealer and ill just put up with it until such times as i can afford to buy another. i love the car so its not as hard as it would be if it were a **** car but i dont want to return to them to buy 1Ltr at a time and the guy in Halfords was scary so i left there double quick, i just thought online might be a good place to buy it so long as i buy the correct stuff

I use all-sorts in mine.... work van oil when I can get it :P  all is min 502.

Thickness being a factor or not (and I have no reason to disagree), during 40K km I've only seen my consumption increase from the typical 200-300 ml per 1000 KM figure just after the first 2 services where I was shown that the oil put in was some Shell 5w30 Diesel. I have always used Castrol Edge 5w40 so maybe it is the brand and not the thickness indeed. And I do carry out the oil check procedure with all conditions kept exactly the same every time to avoid misleading results.

 

Backing this up is the fact that I now have clocked 2K km after my latest service where, for the first time, dealer switched to Castrol Edge 5w40 and the level has barely moved. Normally, after that mileage and directly after a service with the crappy Shell I would have needed to top up a bit.

I would consider brand makes a difference.... my first vRS was serviced with syntium 5000xs, which is BMW's oil of choice for their deisel engines, and it used no oil at all..... 

 

my current car isn't a big oil user, about a litre every 6,000 miles..... BUT I find it uses less if I steer clear of the recomended shell stuff!

the mad monk,

 

I will get killed for being in another Oil Thread.

 

If you love your car, get the oil & filter changed by a trusted mechanic.

Watch him put in 3.6 litres on 'Mobile 1' 5w 30.

 

Then check that as a cold dip, see where it is,  then do a hot dip.

Then only use Mobile 1 and 98/99 ron petrol and enjoy your car.

 

'Mobile 1' or another good performance oil,

Not the likes of Castrol Edge or Quantum.

 

george

the mad monk,

 

I will get killed for being in another Oil Thread.

 

If you love your car, get the oil & filter changed by a trusted mechanic.

Watch him put in 3.6 litres on 'Mobile 1' 5w 30.

 

Then check that as a cold dip, see where it is,  then do a hot dip.

Then only use Mobile 1 and 98/99 ron petrol and enjoy your car.

 

'Mobile 1' or another good performance oil,

Not the likes of Castrol Edge or Quantum.

 

george

 

What is wrong with Castrol Edge? Haven't read about any issues with it as opposed to Shell.

Nothing wrong, it is the recommended oil.

but try a better or more performance orientated oil,

 

you might find the indicated oil temp a few degrees lower in your usual driving circumstances.

 

That means the engine/systems are working less to cool the Oil/Coolant,

it is a cheap mod.

 

Heat soak uses power, or reduces power,

if spending on Remaps, Induction, Intercoolers, than a few ££ more on oil seems like a cheap mod.

Sure I could give it a try. It's just that even 4 years after, there hasn't been any real verdict on oil consumption causes, oil type recommendation etc. etc. Just some sporadic conclusions from members in forums and we're pretty much still in the dark I would say.

The Fueling means that there can be bore wash, and that means wear in the cylinders, piston rings,

thats one reason for failed engines.

 

The inlet manifold and the Turbo can cook one particular spark plug, thats one reason for failure.

 

Short runs were the engine is not hot and runs a bit rich can be a reason for using oil,

not a failure, just something that happens.

 

So poor Quality Control of parts from the factory,

and ECU's needing updated can be a problem.

Skoda/VAG not explaining that to Owners or Dealerships.

 

Using oil sometimes is just a feature of some Twinchargers that hardly ever use oil, 

they have a brain fart and the next think you know its consumed a litre.

You top up and its never to happen again.

(once in a blue moon is OK IMO.)

cheers guys, to answer a few questions

i always check my oil at normal oil temp, wait 10 minutes and park in the same place everytime, never adding more than 0.5 ltr at any one time

 

George, this is my second engine, after covering 7k since replacement i went through a series of oil consumption testing, first one i did 1k, oh sorry sir the tech has mixed up the details and its not working out, could you do it again but this time for 750 miles

@ 750 miles sorry sir but its not working out correctly could we ask you to do it again but this time for 186 miles

Both times i went in they had to topup the oil as the dipstick was dry

3rd time after 186 miles, ok sir weve dont the test your car has passed

i was so gobsmacked you could have slapped me with a wet kipper at which point i just turned around and though F### the lot of yous ill just buy oil myself and wont waste my time with you lot anymore as im sure you just keep dropping the mileage until you get a result that passes

 

i made my feelings clear to skoda UK, ive been offered another free service to which ill use another dealer and ill just put up with it until such times as i can afford to buy another. i love the car so its not as hard as it would be if it were a **** car but i dont want to return to them to buy 1Ltr at a time and the guy in Halfords was scary so i left there double quick, i just thought online might be a good place to buy it so long as i buy the correct stuff

I when through two test on my old car. Result eventually was considered boarder line.

However, I submitted a years receipts for oil purchased  and was refunded by Skoda UK VIA THE DEALER. I then followed up with a request to extend my warranty and was given an extra 12 months. Then I sold mine on, before the message got out and residuals started to fall. 

cheers guys, to answer a few questions

i always check my oil at normal oil temp, wait 10 minutes and park in the same place everytime, never adding more than 0.5 ltr at any one time

 

George, this is my second engine, after covering 7k since replacement i went through a series of oil consumption testing, first one i did 1k, oh sorry sir the tech has mixed up the details and its not working out, could you do it again but this time for 750 miles

@ 750 miles sorry sir but its not working out correctly could we ask you to do it again but this time for 186 miles

Both times i went in they had to topup the oil as the dipstick was dry

3rd time after 186 miles, ok sir weve dont the test your car has passed

i was so gobsmacked you could have slapped me with a wet kipper at which point i just turned around and though F### the lot of yous ill just buy oil myself and wont waste my time with you lot anymore as im sure you just keep dropping the mileage until you get a result that passes

 

i made my feelings clear to skoda UK, ive been offered another free service to which ill use another dealer and ill just put up with it until such times as i can afford to buy another. i love the car so its not as hard as it would be if it were a **** car but i dont want to return to them to buy 1Ltr at a time and the guy in Halfords was scary so i left there double quick, i just thought online might be a good place to buy it so long as i buy the correct stuff

I when through two test on my old car. Result eventually was considered boarder line.

However, I submitted a years receipts for oil purchased  and was refunded by Skoda UK VIA THE DEALER. I then followed up with a request to extend my warranty and was given an extra 12 months. Then I sold mine on, before the message got out and residuals started to fall. 

Sorry about the double message ,must be finger happy.

 

Just to say that I stuck with the Skoda recommended oil spec , (Quantum- for 10000 mile service interval on mine, some cars are variable I note) so as to stay squeaky clean for warranty issue. Hence each invoice for oil was Skoda headed dealers. So no chance for then to have an out argument.

thats one of the reasons i bought it from a dealer vrskeith but as im now sick of them ill just buy any recommended oil and keep them out of the equation

SUMMARY:Not impressed with a particular dealer!

 

As a matter of interest, what dealer have you used in West Cumbrfia?  Please say it isn't "Border Cars" in Lillyhall.

As a matter of interest, what dealer have you used in West Cumbrfia?  Please say it isn't "Border Cars" in Lillyhall.

ok i wont but shhhh dont tell anyone but it is

thats one of the reasons i bought it from a dealer vrskeith but as im now sick of them ill just buy any recommended oil and keep them out of the equation

Did you follow up on say on a monthly basis via Skoda Customer services , with Oil consumption history file .

Also threaten them with legal action regarding fitness for purpose of their product using government agencies etc.

 

Hence my result  of a refund and extended warranty.

 

Your case is even greater as you have had a replacement engine already.

 

Get that letter off to Alasdair Steward at Skoda UK, as George has recommended to many before.

Too many sadly and also so many times !!

the Email done by 'austenw90' is a good one as an example.

well to be honest ive had the car just over 2 years now, at first it bothered me a hell of a lot but these things can take over and become too much, now after that final test ive just shrugged my shoulders and said to hell with it (used other words but they'll only get censored here ) and think its time to move on

Skoda arent bothered, the dealer isnt bothered and, at most, ill sell the thing in a year anyways so its their loss i wont buy another VW car for as long as i remember about it

cheesed off doesnt quite cut it but hey ho theres more to life and its just an expensive piece of metal

i just need to acquire some oil to tide me through and remember to check the bloody thing every few 100 miles

so i guess in answer to my original question, any VW 502 will do