Looking at DAS6-pro, but not sure if its worth getting the pro over the normal das6.

Im thinking yes due to the not massive price difference.

 

Also witch bundle to get, there seems to be a few and I'm not sure which is best. 

http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/polishing-machines/das-6-dual-action-polisher/cat_71.html

Car is a 2003 Fabia in black magic if this makes a difference. 

Im wanting to cut a little to remove light swirls, not going to be trying for a 99% correction of course.

Heard they have hard paint?

 

Also wanting to do my mum Honda CRV and Grandparents Volvo S80 to add another complication. (If it is one)

 

I would like to be lazy and use it to apple glaze too, is this possible or is it better by hand? 

 

Many thanks 

Eddy

 

I would go for the Pro (more torque) with the Meg's hexlogic Bundle with 105 and 205, you should be able to do most of what you want with this. These polishes are non-diminishing and your pads determine the level of cut, you can also then follow the Junkmans tutorial videos for your first attempts.

It will be worth getting a finishing pad for refining, this will also be great for applying all in one's and Glazes. If you correct your paint then a glaze won't really add much. However as you are learning you might find applying an all in one like autofinesse trippl, dodo juice need for speed or autobrite Cherry glaze on a light polishing pad might give you the results you want, particularly for a quick spruce up on a friends car.

I did most of the above around a month ago and would say you need to be prepared for learning the DAS6 PRO and techniques for using it to take awhile and not be instant. You may also find you prefer using diminishing polishes, but you won't know this until you get started

Best of luck

I have the normal Das6 and found it to be a fairly good machine, however I imagine the pro is a better all round machine and is probably worth the extra little bit of investment. It should give you the option to be able to achieve a bit more correction than the normal one allows as you progress. 

 

I would also go for the Megs 105/205 and Hex pads as Sparkly said, having used the 205 I found it very easy to use which should make it a good start for a beginner. 

 

Would also echo what Sparkly said about getting a finishing pad, you can then apply your glaze with the finishing pad by DA. Much less effort than by hand 

 

Don't forget to use the 5% discount code too if ordering from CYC: http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/289666-cleanyourcar-5-discount-code/

 

It will probably take a bit of practice before you manage to achieve the results you want and  to find a way of working which suits you, but most of all enjoy it, and you will be sure to become as addicted as the rest of us if you aren't already! 

I would go for the Pro (more torque) with the Meg's hexlogic Bundle with 105 and 205, you should be able to do most of what you want with this. These polishes are non-diminishing and your pads determine the level of cut, you can also then follow the Junkmans tutorial videos for your first attempts.

It will be worth getting a finishing pad for refining, this will also be great for applying all in one's and Glazes. If you correct your paint then a glaze won't really add much. However as you are learning you might find applying an all in one like autofinesse trippl, dodo juice need for speed or autobrite Cherry glaze on a light polishing pad might give you the results you want, particularly for a quick spruce up on a friends car.

I did most of the above around a month ago and would say you need to be prepared for learning the DAS6 PRO and techniques for using it to take awhile and not be instant. You may also find you prefer using diminishing polishes, but you won't know this until you get started

Best of luck

Good Morning, Mark.

What exactly is `Deminishing Polish?

Also, what is 105 and 205?

Mant thanks.

Mike.

Good Morning, Mark.

What exactly is `Deminishing Polish?

Also, what is 105 and 205?

Mant thanks.

Mike.

If no one has answered this by the afternoon, I'll hopefully have a few minutes to come back and explain diminishing and SMAT polishes.

105 and 205 are two polishes from Megs

Right Mike,  polishes work through abrasion, they essentially have tiny particles suspended in a liquid to do this (super layperson attempt at description)

 

Diminishing polishes start with a fixed level of abrasion, be that heavy, medium or fine.  As the polish is worked by the DA or Rotary the abrasive particles break down, that is to say the abrasion gradually becomes finer.  This means that with one polish the cut (abrasion) may start heavy but as the polish is worked it will reduce to a more refined medium cut.  You could then follow this with a medium polish which at the end of a polishing set breaks down to fine.  So in two steps you may have a level of finish you are happy with or you could take a fine finishing polish which starts cutting at fine and finishes as Ultra fine.

 

SMAT or non-diminishing, retain a fixed level of cut.

 

Polishing pads can also have a full range of cut from heavy to none.

 

So: when you have a diminishing polish you have to make combinations of polish and pads to achieve your effect.  i.e. a medium polish with a medium pad will achieve a certain level of refinement of finish, but a finishing pad and medium polish could give a more refined finish, equally the finishing pad could be too soft and not break down the polish enough meaning when you finish the refinement will be poor because the pad was unable to break down the abrasive particles taking them from medium to fine.

 

With an SMAT polish, the level of cut remains fixed, you alter results by switching pads, polishing speed and pressure used.

 

Both systems have merits and both systems if researched will come with some fairly standard (and tried and tested) pad polish combos for the beginner and should be pretty safe.  I personally think two SMAT polishes (Meg's 105 and 205) and three pads from Chemical Guys hexlogic range (Orange, White and Black) is a very good starting point for a beginner, there are lots of materials online about how to use these.  But even with a fairly simple set of kit like this, there is a huge amount of learning and practice ahead of you, speeds, pads, pressures paint hardness and plenty more.

 

I would need days to type up everything there is to say on polishing, so I just suggest anyone interested gets on the relevant forums and reads, watches videos, researches and then only then gives it a go.

 

The best piece of advice you will get on polishing is to always start with the least aggressive combo possible.  This way you can learn and experiment relatively safely.

Hi, Mark.

Thank you so much for that...very kind of you to take the time.

It has to be said that it (polishing) is far more involved and complicated than I ever thought!

Regards

Mike.

Mike,

 

I hope I haven't put anyone off, it is something that can be as hard or as complicated as you make it I guess.

 

With your machine polishers, Meguiar's 205, a polishing pad and a refining/finishing pad, I genuinely think people would get good results and be very happy.

 

Heck as a counter to all of the above I think far more than 50% of people would be blown away by a one hit 'correction' using only a white hexlogic pad and Autofinesse Tripple, top with your wax of choice and you are done.  Technically the paint won't be 'corrected' in the same way as a full polish correction and will require sealing in and routine reapplication but on a daily driver you can get your car looking far better than you ever could by hand and your LSP will perform better than ever.

 

So it's really down to how OCD you want to go and what is practical for you - a garage full of machines polishes and pads or one machine, one pad, one product.

 

The choice is yours.

 

 

AF Tripple is an all in one product that contains some fine abrasives like a finishing polish, chemical cleansers like a pre-wax cleansers and also leave a layer of wax behind after buffing.  A quality all in one with a polishing pad can give decent levels of correction, but the nature of the product is that they also contain fillers which hide a lot of what wasn't corrected so the line between correction and filling is hard to know.  Fillers also require sealing in with wax or the elements or washing will remove them.  Aesthetically though a good all in one can give "close" to correction visual.

Thank you all, i will go with the DAS6-pro megs hex logic kit with a finishing pad also (hex logic black?). I had wavered towards that one already as its not too pricey and only too steps. 

 

Another question, how loud is a DA in comparison to say a angle girder or drill? 

Got to try not wind up next door anymore. 

 

Cheers

Thank you all, i will go with the DAS6-pro megs hex logic kit with a finishing pad also (hex logic black?). I had wavered towards that one already as its not too pricey and only too steps. 

 

Another question, how loud is a DA in comparison to say a angle girder or drill? 

Got to try not wind up next door anymore. 

 

Cheers

Yep the black Hexlogic is what I have.

 

The DAS6 Pro I'd probably describe as being fairly noisey for anyone not knowing what to expect, could be as loud as a drill under load (drilling) maybe. 

 

I would be cautious with the neighbours.

The noise puts me off a little, but i will just have to decide if i think il get away with out upsetting people too much.

Don't want to spend a load of cash on one to not be able to use it.

Id love a garage. 

If you're up this way and want some instruction/lessons with the DA or even a Rotary, let me know Eddy

BTW...They are not loud at all

Chris, you have a Meguiars G220 if I remember, I don't know if this has some bearing on things but I find the DAS6 fairly noisy

Is the G220 a quieter machine? I could try justify the extra cash to not feel too obnoxious playing away. 

 

I'm back in the north for easter on the 12th or 13th, for abit and id love instruction. 

Would it be possible to arrange something for around then? Guess PM's are better for that sort of thing. 

 

Cheers 

I really don't know how they compare noise wise

Cant say Ive ever thought it was noisy at all

I'm away from the 12th for a week..but the week before, I'm available all week (School Holidays)

10th is my Birthday, that must warrant me taking a day off

Just popped you a pm.

Cheers

When I bought my DAS6 I went (if it still exists now) the Sonus range of pads, and the Menzerna range of polishes.  Think were 3 pads, and 3 polishes, fast gloss, power gloss and final finish from memory.  It got me a good start in learning about the various grades of pad and polish and when to apply them,

Good thread - thanks for the info Sparkly.... looking into this more and more for my car  

 

Was going to pay for it.... but thinking i could buy one of these kits and give it a go....

Out of interest...... i was interested in what size of pads people tend to work with on their DA/Rotary?

 

I've sort of settled on 5" on the DA and 3/4" on the rotary. Just curious...

Out of interest...... i was interested in what size of pads people tend to work with on their DA/Rotary?

 

I've sort of settled on 5" on the DA and 3/4" on the rotary. Just curious..

 

I use 5.5" and 4", 5.5" for most of the work then I use the 4" on the smaller areas like the front bumper. 

I have a das 6 and find no need to get the pro for your average home "detailer".

I use 5.5" and 4", 5.5" for most of the work then I use the 4" on the smaller areas like the front bumper. 

 

Fair enough, makes sense - i have now settled towards 4" on the rotary and 5" on the DA for my car. 

 

Still have a random selection of 3,4,5,6 and 7" samples in the garage though.... seemed a good idea at the time! 

I have a das 6 and find no need to get the pro for your average home "detailer".

 

I found my Das 6 fine working on my Skoda, but found it has it limitations when trying to correct harder paint. 

I found my Das 6 fine working on my Skoda, but found it has it limitations when trying to correct harder paint. 

 

Yeah could be right there, I have only used it on the Skoda. Couldn't you fix that with a more aggressive polish or pad?