So. I was under the general assumption that bikes are faster than pretty much all cars. Iv never been that impressed by cars, for the simple reason that i ride, and most cars (even a porsche cayenne, bmw z4m etc that iv been in before) just dont seem to go that well.

Until my mate got his 2012 Nissan GTR.

Oh my god. Its soo fast it kinda blew my mind slightly.

Going across a local road following a gsxr600 when the bike decided to open up and 'leave the car' as i imagine he was thinking.

My mate floored the GTR though and went past the bike like it was a moped. And he couldnt be seen 2 corners later.

550hp is plenty. I want one haha.

Anybody else been in any quick cars recently? .

Its abit pointless, but id like to hear peoples stories. Gets everyone talkin n that huh .

Cheers

Bossfox will be along soon.  I believe he had a 2012 one up to about a few months ago, then got a classic 22 odd year old one, and now has a brand spanker MY2014 GTR just delivered

Ah thats awesome.

Im very jealous of him haha.

The things are literally insane.

If i had the money to buy one and run it, i defo would have one on the drive

So. I was under the general assumption that bikes are faster than pretty much all cars. Iv never been that impressed by cars, for the simple reason that i ride, and most cars (even a porsche cayenne, bmw z4m etc that iv been in before) just dont seem to go that well.

Until my mate got his 2012 Nissan GTR.

Oh my god. Its soo fast it kinda blew my mind slightly.

Going across a local road following a gsxr600 when the bike decided to open up and 'leave the car' as i imagine he was thinking.

My mate floored the GTR though and went past the bike like it was a moped. And he couldnt be seen 2 corners later.

550hp is plenty. I want one haha.

Anybody else been in any quick cars recently? .

Its abit pointless, but id like to hear peoples stories. Gets everyone talkin n that huh .

Cheers

How do you know the bike was flat out?

Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

I had a day at silverstone last year in boss fox's gtr. Man that was an impressive car the speed was epic!

I saw the wrist go back, the head went down. It shot forward.

Just didnt shoot forward anywhere near fast enough to stop the GTR coming past haha.

Its the first time iv been in a car n thought, i defo wouldnt keep up on the motorbike. And i dont hang about on that road haha.

Ah i bet that was good!

Can't beat 550bhp, but got 414bhp in my S4 at the moment

It's just reached 20k miles and seems to have just loosened up and is starting to feel really quick now.

Test drove the GTR back to back with the S4 before I bought my current car. The GTR was much faster / focused, but I needed a daily driver / family car, so unfortunately had to rule it out. Nice cars though

I like s4's and rs4's. Always have. Practical, yet go like stink too.

Yeah. Defo cant drive a gtr every day. I dont know what the running costs are like on the s4, obviously it wont be cheap, but nissan want £1800 for a set of tyres on the gtr. And they only come with 6mm tread.

And thats not the start of it haha.

The road ww were goim balls out on is only about 6 miles or so. Really bendy. He'd just filled it up, and it used just under 1/4 going across that and abit of a play at silly speeds across a bypass haa.

The S4 gets used every day. It does 20-28mpg, but it doesn't get many long, steady runs.

TBF in 14 months it has only cost me £70/week in petrol, 2 x tyres and & £200 RFL. All other costs been covered by the free service pack & warranty. Just have to forget about the depreciation

Thats actually not bad at all. Considering what the car is.

Id love to drive around in one of them. Properly nice cars. One day. *keeps dreamin.

Haha

The gtr is capable of 0-60 in about 3 seconds in the right hands that chomping on the heels of superbikes surely.

600cc bikes are good foil for cars like the gtr and some higher powered cars can chase down bigger bikes too,plenty of vids on YouTube of this,some really quick cars out there in the world.

The underground racing lamborghinis are pretty crazy.

Check out this video about 2 mins in

Edited 28 March, 201412 yr by dsmithmobile

The 550hp is 0-60mph in 2.8 seconds.

Bikes are usually around 3-3.5.

Iv watched a few vids, and theyre a little bit faster than a gsxr 1000 and an R1.

I can tell you from experience, a 1000 superbike is a riot. A 600 is fast, but compared to a 1000 its nothing.

Theres much talk about thou superbikes being too fast for the road. At nearly 100mph in first gear haha.

The gtr is marginally faster than those, but doesnt get the in gear tall ratios and high revving that bikes do. So they are going through a few gears

The gtr is capable of 0-60 in about 3 seconds in the right hands that chomping on the heels of superbikes surely.

If we are just talking about 0-60's then the GTR & many other quick cars do not require much skill at all to race through the gears. All automatic.

Mine can get to 60 in just over 4 secs, and just needs a prod of the right foot, and to point in the right direction

Bikes can't do much better than 2.5 -3.0 sec 0-60 coz they can't put the power down on the little 1" strip of tyre that's actually on the road.

I doubt many cars could stick with a 1000cc bike in a straight line up to about 150.

 

Still, must have given the power ranger on the 600 a fright

Edited 28 March, 201412 yr by Aspman

True that. They have the tendancy to want to flip over backwards too haha.

I'll try to find that video of a gtr vs gsxr n r1 later .

Bossfox will be along soon.  I believe he had a 2012 one up to about a few months ago, then got a classic 22 odd year old one, and now has a brand spanker MY2014 GTR just delivered

 

You called.

 

I don't tend to mention my cars here, as it becomes a pishing contest.  I leave this section for people advertising what they are buying or thinking of buying.

You always get someone (who usually hasn't driven one near the limit) that repeats the reputation (which EVO mag doesn't agree with) that they are easy to drive or like a playstation.

 

But yes they are quick.

I've taken off brisky behind a sports bike and had to come off the throttle to stop the guy ending up on the bonnet.

They are also better (IMO) round the corners.

 

Linky to my thread here:

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/290500-richards-gt-r-thread-old-and-new/?p=3709995

 

Saving said all that though bikes will always feel faster and be more exciting because you are more exposed to the speed/danger.

 

 

And I'd still rather drive my Yeti as a daily driver.

So many discussions on bike vs car have been posted and played out over the years. I think it boils down to whether you like bikes fundamentally. A 1000cc superbike bike will chime in around £10,000. Have a look at the spec and see where you need to be for a four wheeled equivelant, say 500-600 hp. As a rider myself, it comes down to how much you have to spend on your chosen steed. If you have a bottomless pocket, you can have speed and comfort. If your budget is more modest, bikes are the way to go. Astounding power to weight and accessible with a license upgrade. The cosseted frame of a car also separates you somewhat from a primeval sensation of fear, which is what is exciting.

The gtr is capable of 0-60 in about 3 seconds in the right hands that chomping on the heels of superbikes surely.

 

To be honest it has launch control and you can do that in auto mode.

So if the road surface is decent a complete idiot can get to 60mph in under 3 seconds time after time for a 2011 onwards model.

And it doesn't effect the warranty...

Bikes are a good way to learn about your own mortality. I've had more of a buzz from a 65hp bike (330hp/T) than any car. But that's coz your arse is only a patch of leather away from the tarmac.

Can't beat 550bhp, but got 414bhp in my S4 at the moment

 

This is kind of my point.

414bhp is not a stock S4.

Although no doubt it's a very resonsive and effective car on the road.

And probably also a bit more practical too while being better value for money.

 

You can remap the GT-R to around 590bhp, add an exhaust for 600, injectors for 620, downpipes for 650 and turbos for 750.  All on the stock engine build.

You then replace the rods for 800bhp, pistons and manifolds for about 850bhp and then start going a bit more expreme if you want over 1,000bhp which is completely pointless in 99% of people's eyes.

Somewhere in there you change the clutch baskets in the gearbox too as they don't like over 700 lb/ft of torque.

 

But because it's a flappy paddle auto where the GT-R excells is that even at 800 or 900bhp it's still capable of being driven like a normal car.

It doesn't get a heavy clutch or become a handfull around town.

I know a few guys with young kids and they still use the car with three or four in it, despite being able to push a button and have it running a 900bhp+ map.

 

But a lot of it is the "my one's bigger than yours" thing.  You don't really need that much power in a big fat heavy car.

 

Personally I'd advise anyone not to get or try an R35 GT-R because once you do (especially if you start tuning) it completey screws up your perception of most other cars that don't cost twice as much.

They all just feel a bit slow by comparison.

You can buy a low end 2009 GT-R now for about £35k and for about £20k make it quicker than a Veyron.  It's bonkers.

This is kind of my point.

414bhp is not a stock S4.

Although no doubt it's a very resonsive and effective car on the road.

And probably also a bit more practical too while being better value for money.

You can remap the GT-R to around 590bhp, add an exhaust for 600, injectors for 620, downpipes for 650 and turbos for 750. All on the stock engine build.

You then replace the rods for 800bhp, pistons and manifolds for about 850bhp and then start going a bit more expreme if you want over 1,000bhp which is completely pointless in 99% of people's eyes.

Somewhere in there you change the clutch baskets in the gearbox too as they don't like over 700 lb/ft of torque.

But because it's a flappy paddle auto where the GT-R excells is that even at 800 or 900bhp it's still capable of being driven like a normal car.

It doesn't get a heavy clutch or become a handfull around town.

I know a few guys with young kids and they still use the car with three or four in it, despite being able to push a button and have it running a 900bhp+ map.

But a lot of it is the "my one's bigger than yours" thing. You don't really need that much power in a big fat heavy car.

Personally I'd advise anyone not to get or try an R35 GT-R because once you do (especially if you start tuning) it completey screws up your perception of most other cars that don't cost twice as much.

They all just feel a bit slow by comparison.

You can buy a low end 2009 GT-R now for about £35k and for about £20k make it quicker than a Veyron. It's bonkers.

I'd agree with most of that.

The S4 is mapped just to stage 1. I could have gone more (another £500 & it would be closer to 500bhp), but TBH I don't get chance of many occasions to use all the available power as it is.

I really wanted to buy a GTR, tried it, loved it, but knew as a daily driver it wasn't right for me. Too small (inside), too loud & believe it or not.....too fast. To get the best from it you really have to drive them fast & I don't / haven't done many track days. So my licence would soon be compromised :(

The S4 was a real compromise, head over heart.

Just to pick up on a comment I made earlier. I said 0-60's do not require much skill in fast cars these days. I certaintly don't want to confuse that with driving fast cars, fast. Driving on the limit gets more difficult the faster you go. Regardless of the car you drive, the limit is just that, the limit. You need skill to judge where that is & the ability to correct it if you step over the line.

^^^ and that's exactly why I run a daily driver.

 

You can pull out to overtake someone and end up shooting past well into three figures with a twitch of your right foot.

As fun as the GT-R is, it really starts to come alive on track when you can try to get close to it's limits.

That's why I take no notice of people that test them on the road and make a judgement. (or just read a road review and quote it)

Most people don't understand the car well enough or don't comprehend it's abilities well enough to even take it to the limit as they've not driven anything that quick before.  It's grip in the corners is quite frankly mind boggling.

It's when you get near the limit is shows it's character.

 

But bare in mind you are looking at a lot of money in tyres and brakes as it's is a big fat lump and to really USE it can be quite expensive.

 

As I said, I wouldn't reccomend one unless you have other cars to use too.

Which is odd coming from an owner because typically you rave about what you have.

But I'm on my third now and know how it screws up your percention of speed and what it costs if you start using it properly on track.

I'd be happier with a slower car if I'd never had one.

Personally I'd advise anyone not to get or try an R35 GT-R because once you do (especially if you start tuning) it completey screws up your perception of most other cars that don't cost twice as much.

They all just feel a bit slow by comparison.

You can buy a low end 2009 GT-R now for about £35k and for about £20k make it quicker than a Veyron. It's bonkers.

Thats exactly what my mate says. Now hes got that, and reached his goal, its all slower from then on really. Nothing will match it.

Im a bike guy too, n did genuinly think bikes were faster, until i went in one. Theres no way i coulda kept up with it in the corners. The grip is awesome.

Ill stick to bikes though. Not just because i cant afford to buy or run a gtr, but because they are still stupidly fast and you can pick up a decent fast bike for much more realised prices in relation to my bank balance.

I do like being out in the open on a bike to though, cant beat it .

Yeah. He says its not easy to drive fast in the wet. It might have the play station gadgets, but its still 550hp supercar isnt it. I dont think anything with that much poke could ever be easy to drive fast in the wet.

I can see why you drive your yeti as an every day car. I dont blame you at all.

I was surprised how unsmooth gtr's are at low speed tbh. Skipping a wheel because of the diff, abit jerky n that. Can really tell its a 200mph race car haha.

Its brilliant though. I do love it. Im rather jealous of every owner hsha.

It is hard to drive on the limit. No doubt about that.

My mate who owns it is the best driver i know, or have been in with. Hes had fast cars before n loved exploring the limits in those.

He says its just too fast to go anywhere near the limit in the GTR on the road though. Even when your thinking as fast as you can, really challenging yourself and taking it to the next level, the GTR is still just ticking along and laughing at you, with loads n loads more to go.

Its an unbelievable car. It really is.