Seat Used website:Leon 280

Cheapest manual £23500

Cheapest DSG £23700

Most expensive DSG £31603

Currently 17 cars on this site for Leon 280

Many less than the Audi S1- currently 55 used.

Edited 5 January, 201511 yr by vrskeith

Seat Used website:Leon 280

Cheapest manual £23500

Cheapest DSG £23700

Most expensive DSG £31603

Currently 17 cars on this site for Leon 280

Many less than the Audi S1- currently 55 used.

 

You can see why I didn't hesitate when the opening offer was £21990. I got a similarly good deal from them with my Octavia. ex demo, 1700 miles, £15,500 when the next cheapest used in the UK was £1500 more. That ran for another 58k miles, remapped from day 3 and had absolutely nothing go wrong with it.

Seat Used website:Leon 280Cheapest manual £23500Cheapest DSG £23700Most expensive DSG £31603Currently 17 cars on this site for Leon 280Many less than the Audi S1- currently 55 used.

..or £1100 LESS for a brand new, zero mileage DSG with full three years warranty and the ability to spec it exactly as you like via a broker/dealer. Pretty sure that price difference would also disappear at sales time with one less owner in the book.

Its the upspeccing it that changes everything. I haven't looked at Keiths examples but if they are for boggo standard without any options then they're pretty poor prices! I'd agree with yeti man and spend the extra £1300.

If on the other hand those are specced up with everything then a new one will be significantly more than a £1300 delta.

Very true. I'm a bit of an option-aholic (think the Yeti had 12 of 13 possible options fitted and the VRS every one!) so I'd really rather have a factory fresh car if possible. Either way they are amazing value for money, of that there's no doubt in my mind.

I liked the first leon simply because it looked like a 'sud, thereafter nothing seat has done was interesting, until now. I was sceptical till I drove it, then read about it, and realised how good it actually is. For what I paid it's ludicrously good value, way better than the bargain octy tbh. I think half the appeal is that a shopping trolley has no right in being so capably fast (as a general hot hatch comnent) and I find that ever so slightly hilarious. If I owned a "proper" sports car I'd expect to be absolutely blown away every time, which of course is unlikely unless you're extremely rich. Life is often about expectation management, and surprise is usually more satisfying than disappointment. I'd not get a huge sense of anything if I owned a cayman, but if some grinning **** in a shopping cart was hanging off my rear bumper I'd not be pleasantly surprised for sure.

But isn't that the whole point of a hot hatch? To provide grin factor motoring without compromising the practicality of the car for daily use? A sports car would have fewer tick marks for me as an only car.

 

Id quite fancy a Cupra 280 myself but previous experience has taught me to be wary of anything with around 300ps routed via the front wheels. As a bargain fwd hatch though id say it was actually impossible to beat especially given the fact that you can pick up a brand new factory order 280 for £22,500. That's serious performance for such little money but makes me really wonder why there is so much attention being put on the second hand demo ones for the money they are asking (and aren't such a bargain imo). At the of the day though id still happily pay more for the Golf R knowing it would mean the performance and grip was there pretty much rain or shine.

Where can you get a 5 door DSG 280 with leather & other options for £22,500 as a Factory Order?

 

You can get one for that to drive away from a Seat Dealer that was first registered by them and is sitting there as a Demonstrator.

Seat Used website:Leon 280

Cheapest manual £23500

Cheapest DSG £23700

Most expensive DSG £31603

Currently 17 cars on this site for Leon 280

Many less than the Audi S1- currently 55 used.

 

 

Where can you get a 5 door DSG 280 with leather & other options for £22,500 as a Factory Order?

 

You can get one for that to drive away from a Seat Dealer that was first registered by them and is sitting there as a Demonstrator.

Not on the Seat National Used Website George.See above this was yesterday.

May be on Autotrader.

You are quoting advertised 'Asking Prices',  that is the Sales Managers Wish & Dream.

 

The Dream Customer walks in and pays the Advert & Window sticker price.

 

In the real world, you can make an offer, and they can laugh at you,

then call you later when more desperate, like when December turns to January, and is getting towards February,

& then you laugh at them, and offer a bit less.

Where can you get a 5 door DSG 280 with leather & other options for £22,500 as a Factory Order?

 

You can get one for that to drive away from a Seat Dealer that was first registered by them and is sitting there as a Demonstrator.

If that's aimed at me - im unsure where you read DSG 280 with leather and options for that price? I didn't say that. I said a brand new 280.

You are quoting advertised 'Asking Prices',  that is the Sales Managers Wish & Dream.

 

The Dream Customer walks in and pays the Advert & Window sticker price.

 

In the real world, you can make an offer, and they can laugh at you,

then call you later when more desperate, like when December turns to January, and is getting towards February,

& then you laugh at them, and offer a bit less.

It would be good to hear from new owners that have driven these deals, like stever750 ,so that we can get a real handle on actual prices paid and or great PX combined.

Similar with S1's but doubt Audi will be doing such deals.

Edited 6 January, 201511 yr by vrskeith

Yet_Man,

I understood that.  & that is why some might buy a Demonstator that is specced right up,

because it is not just a Basic 3 door manual, that loses £2,500 anyway as you drive it away with that brand new smell.

 

PS

Not many 280 Manuals registered in the UK, so they are a scarce car.

Edited 6 January, 201511 yr by goneoffSKi

Yet_Man,

I understood that.  & that is why some might buy a Demonstator that is specced right up,

because it is not just a Basic 3 door manual, that loses £2,500 anyway as you drive it away with that brand new smell.

 

PS

I do not see where you had 'DSG' Just 'brand new factory order 280' in post #57

I don't share your view im afraid. With over £6000 off even the most basic 280 I don't think there's a stronger argument for taking a second hand one that's then got two owners on the history when you come to sell.

 

Its not about the new car smell either (not sure where that came from) but the fact that a car of that sort being used as a dealership demo for 4-6k does nothing for me. I know a good few dealers and I know people, like myself, that drive the demo cars. My own car would never be treated like they are. From that perspective id rather have something factory fresh with the benefit of being able to add anything else I wanted, benefit from the full three year warranty, be eligible for the low rate finance offers and servicing packages and know the history of the vehicle ie that its not had repairs and/or thrashings on a daily basis.

Thankfully people do buy new cars,

or the only used cars available would be Demonstrators & Lease or Hire Cars.  

They can pay the money for the New Car Buying Experience & Finance, warranty etc.

 

You still have no idea with a Used Private car who dove it, or how,

it could even be a Management Car, or Driving School car.

 

?

Have you spoken prices of New Builds of Seats with anyone yet?

 

There are Demonstrators that might be there 3 months, but have not covered 3,000 miles.

 

The Demonstrator i was after was sold to someone in the Dealership,

because his mate (Salesman) was the only one that had driven it,

and me unaccompanied had thrashed it a little bit.

Edited 6 January, 201511 yr by goneoffSKi

Thankfully people do buy new cars,

or the only used cars available would be Demonstrators & Lease or Hire Cars.  

They can pay the money for the New Car Buying Experience & Finance, warranty etc.

 

You still have no idea with a Used Private car who dove it, or how,

it could even be a Management Car, or Driving School car.

 

?

Have you spoken prices of New Builds of Seats with anyone yet?

 

There are Demonstrators that might be there 3 months, but have not covered 3,000 miles.

 

The Demonstrator i was after was sold to someone in the Dealership,

because his mate (Salesman) was the only one that had driven it,

and me unaccompanied had thrashed it a little bit.

I'm not comparing a second hand privately owned car - im comparing a dealer demo typical of the ones I've seen and driven to a brand new factory order that actually costs less financially and will be worth more when sold on.

That is the biggie really,  not everyone is buying with finance or selling on if buying a keeper.

They often just want a particular car, and for an affordable price.

 

If you sell your car now used, is there much of a market for it, or is it a keeper.?

You are quoting advertised 'Asking Prices',  that is the Sales Managers Wish & Dream.

 

The Dream Customer walks in and pays the Advert & Window sticker price.

 

In the real world, you can make an offer, and they can laugh at you,

then call you later when more desperate, like when December turns to January, and is getting towards February,

& then you laugh at them, and offer a bit less.

Which won't happen with the Golf R, as everyone wants one, even if they don't know why (and that's not aimed at any of the enlightened Brisky forum members btw!)

 

I also think that the Cupra is getting a bit of cult thing, and the new one enhances that further, as a bargain stupidly fast car.

 

 

Its not about the new car smell either (not sure where that came from) but the fact that a car of that sort being used as a dealership demo for 4-6k does nothing for me. I know a good few dealers and I know people, like myself, that drive the demo cars. My own car would never be treated like they are. From that perspective id rather have something factory fresh with the benefit of being able to add anything else I wanted, benefit from the full three year warranty, be eligible for the low rate finance offers and servicing packages and know the history of the vehicle ie that its not had repairs and/or thrashings on a daily basis.

 

Indeed, unless you part ex it back to the dealer who really really wants your new 4 year finance deal. As good as the bunch I bought mine from, they couldn't care less if it was remapped or not when I handed it back (from a valuation point of view). Even the ding on the bumper was conveniently ignored.

 

However, the honeymoon is, well not quite over, but nearly perhaps. Tomorrow it's going in to have the rear discs sorted out, i.e. replaced as they are cracked, and the pads worn. It's only done 10k, 5 of which I have done mostly on the M-way. No track thrsashing from me, so suspicion #1

 

Suspicion #2 is that I have discovered that the front geometry is out by around 30% on camber, and cannot be adjusted back into the manufacturers tols because the front subframe is already at its limit of adjustment. So, either the Hunter machine was out of tols massively (unlikely this is a specialist who knows how to calibrate the lift properly to the sensors), it's been in a shunt and I've not been told about it; or some kind of manufacturing problem. We shall see, but I'm not going to drive a 300+ bhp FWD hatch with front camber that's 60' out of spec on the NSF, and about 1deg difference between NSF and OSF actuals. My Octy was almost perfect when I bought it, and only went awol after some clowns tried to fit the uprated clutch and bolted the subframe up cackhandedly. 

Just a thought - Colin, any mods, can you move this to General Car Chat? That's where it should reside, surely?

Chanced upon this, which I missed in all previous searches. I particularly resonate with "you don't need to be a race expert to handle this car" which is what makes a great drivers car IMO

 

The takeaway for me is it's Q car appeal, it looks like an FR which looks like a a cooking Leon to most people.

 

A bit old news but interesting even so. One for George?

 

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=31309

I know that car in the article.

You might think it is white, but when you check the various registrations of Press / Media cars you find often they 

are on the DVLA Database as 'Grey'.

No, I think it's white. Nevada white, same as mine. V5 states white.

I know it is white, the one in the video is also white,

just saying that various Seat Press / Media Cupra Leon 280 come up as Grey regardless of them being not Grey in colour.