^^^

Quite right. 

And as such only used in exceptional cases

Like those looney sods doing 130 across 

two counties with a helicopter and 12 police cars chasing them down.

 

Most of whom won't care and won't have the means to pay so will end up stumping up a few quid a week???  (or not as the case may be...)

Because there are far too many "customers" who are caught and prosecuted for driving whilst disqualified multiple times. If they hit you, they will be uninsured, and YOU will lose out as a result.

 

Isn't that what the Motor Insurers' Bureau scheme is for?

 

Never had the misfortune to need to make a claim through them, so can't comment on how they resolve claims, but it is there for the specific circumstances you mention.

The logic behind a punishment of a driving ban for someone who was caught driving whilst disqualified escapes me totally.

 

Ditto giving a years ban to some 15 year old scrote stealing cars.

IIRC, the sentencing guidelines reserved the maximum fine for more than twice the speed limit on the motorway/dual carriageway. If you're doing 120+ on a dual carriageway or 140+ on a motorway, you deserve a 10k fine

I've given up speeding. Instead i've chosen to sexually assault, burgle and rob other people. Minimal fines and suspended sentences for much less serious offences... 

Most of whom won't care and won't have the means to pay so will end up stumping up a few quid a week???  (or not as the case may be...)

A point I already added in post 14 along with an alternative punishment suggestion

for those kind of cases.

Radio have been focusing on mobile use and drug driving and that these fines will be being dished out like sweets to anyone caught?

That's certainly what they've been saying all day. All cases will be referred to court for mobiles and drug driving?

IIRC, the sentencing guidelines reserved the maximum fine for more than twice the speed limit on the motorway/dual carriageway. If you're doing 120+ on a dual carriageway or 140+ on a motorway, you deserve a 10k fine

 

In that light though would be 140+ on either since the national speed limit on a dual carriageway is 70mph not 60mph.

 

Don't speed, do drugs, etc. then no risk of getting caught and no need to worry.

Break the law, get caught and pay the fines. Pity they didn't put points up as well. That would stop repeat (rich) offenders.

 

 

 

 

My oh my.

Bet you're a barrel of laughs to be with on a night out with the boys.   

 

What's included in the "etc" btw? 

 

Sounds like you are the man to explain the 'etc' Mr Ree :p . When out for a night with the boys, bar speeding and doing drugs, what else do you get up to then?   :peek:

In that light though would be 140+ on either since the national speed limit on a dual carriageway is 70mph not 60mph.

You're right. I've just heard it again on the radio. It's actually twice the speed limit of 50/60/70 on a dual carriageway/motorway.

Instead of increasing fines, driving whilst disqualified should be a minimum 6 month prison sentence and a lifetime driving ban. Jail term doubled for each subsequent offence.

I agree

You have been banned

You are caught driving within the ban.

Lifetime ban, prison sentence/large fine. Named and shamed.

Not a slightly increased ban and a bit of community service.

JRJG

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At the risk of returning to that perennial and cyclical debate...

 

 

 Speed accounts for 1 in 10 accidents and excess speed is more likely result in fatality on rural roads, not motorways and dual carriageways. The law again is all wrong. Its about taxation and bringing in the revenue as best as possible rather than tackling poor and dangerous driving. Because that will take man-power and will cost a bit to make a bit and that just won't do.

^^^

Well, somehow they have to recover the increasing billions they dole out to anyone with

a sob story, asylum claim, doctors note or whatever else you need to show them to get

given free money and have all your bills taken care of by the state. 

They can't tax us much more so they have to look at other means.

The laugh is that a lot of the people they pursue for these fines will be on legal aid

anyway so they get to cost and cost and cost the rest of us again...  

Plus there's the £80bn for Richard Branson's new train set that we've got to cough up for. 

If you dont drink, smoke, do drugs, easy red meat, sleep around, drive fast or ride a motorbike, then you'll live longer.

Or it will certainly feel that way anyway.

 

 

 Or equip everyone with an 82 Polo. 30 feels like light speed in one of them!  

Pretty simple really everybody stop speeding Let's take their revenue source away from them. Let's all just drive around with a little less urgency, reduce the amount of fuel we use which in turn effects the amount of tax revenue they receive, slow our speeds down so they can't fine us.

Before you know it they will not be able to support themselves and therefore will have to go out and look for a proper job.

Sorted, problem solved.

Pretty simple really everybody stop speeding Let's take their revenue source away from them. Let's all just drive around with a little less urgency, reduce the amount of fuel we use which in turn effects the amount of tax revenue they receive, slow our speeds down so they can't fine us.

Sorted, problem solved.

 

£10 on council tax here, £8 to see your doctor there, sprinkle an extra £40/month NI, £30 per bin empty... They'll get their f*cking bit, don't you worry.  Notice how e-cigarettes are suddenly more harmful than anthrax and must be licensed as medicine? #wewillkeeponrakingintax 

£10 on council tax here, £8 to see your doctor there, sprinkle an extra £40/month NI, £30 per bin empty... They'll get their f*cking bit, don't you worry.  Notice how e-cigarettes are suddenly more harmful than anthrax and must be licensed as medicine? #wewillkeeponrakingintax 

 

In fairness, as a country, we're have a pretty large debt mountain to pay off. But hammering motorists again seems a petty way of going about it. Add up all the bits of tax and duty we pay to drive around on our poorly maintained roads and it seems we're already paying a hefty fine without committing any offence!!

Yeah in the same way cannabis is treated like its more harmful than smoking and drinking (which it's not) yet it's never killed a single person, but smoking and drinking are legal because they generate lots of money. Hmmm strange one that!

In fairness, as a country, we're have a pretty large debt mountain to pay off. But hammering motorists again seems a petty way of going about it. Add up all the bits of tax and duty we pay to drive around on our poorly maintained roads and it seems we're already paying a hefty fine without committing any offence!!

As a nation we could wipe out huge chunks of the debt by making corporations pay tax instead of pointing and spitting at people on council estates. Might also re-surface some of our shattered road surfaces too

^^^^^ spot on

So, because I don't break the law, I lead a dull life?

Do you need to break the law to live a full and exciting life?

So you have never ever ever broken the law?

You have never even done 1mph over the speed limit?

What day is 'kbphoto' saint day?

Yes. I've broken the law in the past.

I've had my punishments so to speak.

Now I don't consciously or deliberately break the law and am prepared to publically say that I feel the penalties for law breakers are too light and the chances of being caught are too low.

And for that I am ridiculed by people (read the thread to see who I'm referring to) pretty much admit to breaking some laws.

So, how about you stop being patronising and stop judging me and my life (because you know nothing about it) and keep the thread on track?

£10 on council tax here, £8 to see your doctor there, sprinkle an extra £40/month NI, £30 per bin empty... They'll get their f*cking bit, don't you worry.  Notice how e-cigarettes are suddenly more harmful than anthrax and must be licensed as medicine? #wewillkeeponrakingintax 

Anyone got a soap box? 

Don't speed, do drugs, etc. then no risk of getting caught and no need to worry.

Break the law, get caught and pay the fines. Pity they didn't put points up as well. That would stop repeat (rich) offenders.

 

I think you're missing the point.

 

A £10,000 fine for speeding... yet burglars, drug dealers, thieves and other general scum get away with £100 fines and suspended sentences. What kind of message does that send?

What next? £1,000,000 fines for having a brake light out? The law needs to be proportionate.

 

 

It's nonsense like this that further adds to my strong beliefs that all police and national justice systems should be thrown in the bin, allowing local communities to deal with local justice... doing away with morons who make laws that harm the public, rather than protect.