Back to Mr Pain, seems the chief inspector has asked him to make contact, but Mr pain is playing games.

For the Law of England and Wales and Enforcement of the Law, check it out. online, it is all there if you look,

It is Not only the Police Officers that Enforce the Law or Gather Evidence, as in Wales it can be 'Police Staff'..

For Handbooks & Guidelines on the use of Speed Cameras & Fixed Cameras, its all there with a Google.

 

http://gosafe.org/cameras/camera-equipment/mobile-safety-cameras.aspx

 

http://kmscp.org/the-partnership/myth-buster.aspx

 

http://transportscotland.gov.uk/road/safety/scottish-safety-camera-programme

 

If this is indeed the case, then there is even more reason for this to be discussed in the House of Commons.

 

Post deleted.   Whilst I would agree that a properly trained civilian "just doing his job" may be acceptable if it has been agreed by our democratically elected government, it is NOT acceptable to dress a civilian in pseudo police clothing in order to deceive, neither it is acceptable to permit him to park dangerously.   The way the vehicle is parked in the video shows the "Safety" Camera aspect as the great big whopping, cash raising scam it really is!  

 

Edited 31 August, 201411 yr by bealine

Get onto your MP then,

 they will really take up your case and campaign on your behalf, and maybe ask a question in Parliament, and it will get a laugh.

Thanks...I'll do a little more reading as this is something which seems to have a few grey areas about it! I have not claimed (and I dont think any one else is claiming) that driving police vehicles per se is illegal as clearly it's been done for years in one role or another. It's the lone operator in a marked police vehicle aspect that interests me. I had no idea that this was permissible due to the corroboration/correct use issues. However, I stand corrected if that is (surprisingly) permitted.

A lot of camera vans are actually operated by police employees and not constables. They are all properly trained, I've done the speed gun training, it took all of 30 minutes, you point the device and pull the trigger, if it gives you a reading, then it worked, if it didn't, then the device didn't work.

As long as you complete all your checks before and after, then there isn't a great deal to go wrong.

Mr Pain is just as his name suggests and there are 100's like him out there, most of the time they think they know the law, when in fact they know sweet bugger all and make themselves look stupid. I haven't watched the whole video, as I got bored of him.

Have a watch of the "Freeman on the land" videos on YouTube, they're just as bad. I've stopped 1 and it was most entertaining, although I had a fairly decent bloke who have up in the end, once he realised I wasn't rising to the bait.

Edited to add, I work with a guy who takes out our marked and unmarked van, sits in it the whole shift on his own watching the cameras and putting out alarms, he's not a police officer either. You won't find any legislation anywhere that says anything about this, as it isn't needed. It's down to each force how they use their staff.

You'll be surprised to learn that police officers aren't the only people that can arrest you either. We have civilian investigators that are fully qualified advanced drivers, who use police vehicles with their lights and sirens to get to incidents, they use all the same exemptions as I do.

Edited 31 August, 201411 yr by bubba

A lot of camera vans are actually operated by police employees and not constables. They are all properly trained, I've done the speed gun training, it took all of 30 minutes, you point the device and pull the trigger, if it gives you a reading, then it worked, if it didn't, then the device didn't work.

As long as you complete all your checks before and after, then there isn't a great deal to go wrong.

Mr Pain is just as his name suggests and there are 100's like him out there, most of the time they think they know the law, when in fact they know sweet bugger all and make themselves look stupid. I haven't watched the whole video, as I got bored of him.

Have a watch of the "Freeman on the land" videos on YouTube, they're just as bad. I've stopped 1 and it was most entertaining, although I had a fairly decent bloke who have up in the end, once he realised I wasn't rising to the bait.

Edited to add, I work with a guy who takes out our marked and unmarked van, sits in it the whole shift on his own watching the cameras and putting out alarms, he's not a police officer either. You won't find any legislation anywhere that says anything about this, as it isn't needed. It's down to each force how they use their staff.

You'll be surprised to learn that police officers aren't the only people that can arrest you either. We have civilian investigators that are fully qualified advanced drivers, who use police vehicles with their lights and sirens to get to incidents, they use all the same exemptions as I do.

 

 

Thanks bubba...very enlightening indeed and you learn something new every day.  I had no idea that civi officers could use blues and twos with the same exceptions as trained police officers nor that they had any powers of arrest that a guy on the street couldn't use (ie other than civil arrest powers). I thought that full arrest powers were limited to police regular officers and Specials.  Whether the public believes it to be constitutionally "right" is altogether another matter, as it must not be a question of belief but a matter of fact.

'Detaining' & 'Making an Arrest' is not the same, as is Under Caution etc.   4 Countries in the UK as said Often & Different Laws can apply.

 

Anyway this thread was on Static (Mobile) Camera Vans and Police Officers or Police Staff in Wales.

'Detaining' & 'Making an Arrest' is not the same, as is Under Caution etc. 4 Countries in the UK as said Often & Different Laws can apply.

Anyway this thread was on Static (Mobile) Camera Vans and Police Officers or Police Staff in Wales.

The law is the same in England & Wales, but Scotland has it's own laws

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I liked the story i read in the Newspapers, no idea if accurate.

 

It was a Welsh PC that was going to arrest a Shop Keeper for selling Drug Paraphernalia.  He had brushed up on his law on the Internet.

 

Only he missed that it was the Law of New South Wales, Australia.

Sums Britain up nicely really: