Don’t have a ‘taxing’ time over vehicle tax changes, says the IAM

 

With the abolition of the vehicle tax disc taking effect from 1 October and a flurry of confused people asking about the situation through social media, leading road safety charity the Institute of Advanced Motorists has taken the opportunity to clarify the rules.

 

Basically you will still need to buy vehicle tax to keep any vehicle on the road. You will still receive a reminder from the DVLA, and you can continue paying using the previous methods. However now you will be able to pay by continuous direct debit – meaning there will never be a risk of forgetting to pay, and driving with an out-of-date disc.

 

The direct debit will continue as long as there is a valid MOT for the vehicle.

 

You can apply online to tax your vehicle using the 16 digit reference code from your vehicle tax renewal reminder (V11) or 11 digit reference number from your log book (V5C).

 

One major change the new road tax rules has created is that vehicle tax can no longer be transferred with the vehicle if you sell it – often an added incentive when purchasing a vehicle. If after 1 October you sell a vehicle and have notified the DLVA, you will automatically receive a refund for any full months remaining on that vehicle tax.

 

You will now always have to buy new vehicle tax when you purchase a new or used vehicle.

 

As of 1 October, you will no longer be obliged to display a paper tax disc on your car – so you are free to remove and destroy it. However you might want to keep it as a souvenir, if you are feeling sentimental over the disappearance of an iconic part of UK motoring life!

 

Simon Best, IAM chief executive, said: “As with all new systems, it will take a little time to get used to. But the move to allow people to set up a direct debit will mean greater peace of mind for many, so your vehicle will never be untaxed.

 

“However, moving more of these processes online will make things very difficult for those without regular internet access – as ever, the poor and elderly could lose out.

 

“And it will be interesting to see if some people think that without a visible tax disc it will be easier simply not to buy one. We’ll see in time how effective this has been in catching those who avoid paying.”

 

For more information visit the website https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vehicle-tax-changes

 

UPDATED - The ad that goes with this issue is in this thread -

 

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/326409-dvlas-advert-for-end-of-tax-disc-awareness/

So if a car is sold on the 15th of the month the government get 2 months tax -

1 month for not refunding the tax to the seller

1 month for forcing a buyer to buy full months?

What do you expect from the CONservatives. They're con merchants, who'd sell their parents & kids for body parts for cash if they could legalise it! 

Sod buying a car unless it's the 1st of the month then.

 

I am glad to get rid of the disc though, less on the windscreen.

I doubt I'd lose sleep over half a months tax on my car - it's less than a quid.

Even if it was £150 a year, for the amount of times I change a car it wouldn't bother me much.

Looking forward to de-cluttering the windscreen though  

I'm one of those people who'd like to have it made compulsory for the insurance "thing" like they have abroad to be put on the windscreen instead, to prove that you have insurance and it's done using those QR codes which are difficult to fiddle.

Insurance disks would have made a lot of sense 20 years ago, but with ANPR being so common now it's much easier to use that to check everything in one go in seconds.

So if a car is sold on the 15th of the month the government get 2 months tax -

1 month for not refunding the tax to the seller

1 month for forcing a buyer to buy full months?

It's always been that way.

It's always been that way.

 

I don't really understand why.

 

I sell you a car with 2 months road tax already on it, we come to an agreement on the price including the tax and then you tax the car when the 2 months are up.  How is the government getting 2 lots of tax at the same time?

One example is,

Where people have not kept cars Insured while waiting to sell, & they have been putting on SORN, & kept off the road, (because they insured their new car.)

 and getting the part refund on the VED.

 

The buyer then buys into the month and taxes back to the beginning of a month.

 

It is 2014, and we get paid by the day often, get interest by the day, pay phone and internet as used.  Not Calender monthly.

 

So the DVLA an Executive Agency with Billion Pound IT Systems,

could very easily have it charged at the start date anytime in a month, after all there is no Paper Tax Disc.

Edited 27 August, 201411 yr by goneoffSKi

I sell you a car with 2 months road tax already on it, we come to an agreement on the price including the tax and then you tax the car when the 2 months are up.  How is the government getting 2 lots of tax at the same time?

 

I PX my car with a (genuine, not roadside) trader - they cash in the VED.

 

New owner buys the car off their forecourt - pays for the VED 

 

Voila

I PX my car with a (genuine, not roadside) trader - they cash in the VED.

New owner buys the car off their forecourt - pays for the VED

Voila

Except not everyone part exes. Also, the trader can't cash the unused tax only the previous keeper can.

When I've changed/sold a car to a dealer, I drive to the dealer park car in car park, take out tax disc (for me to receive the refund) and hand keys and other docs. to the dealer. Every one of the dealers commented about me taking the tax disc, to which I replied, "I'm selling the car not the tax disc" .  I could never understand why friends/family never done that.

Now the administration system has changed, we all will be getting the pro rata refund without the hassle of removing the tax disc. Good for us I would say.

I PX my car with a (genuine, not roadside) trader - they cash in the VED.

 

New owner buys the car off their forecourt - pays for the VED 

 

Voila

 

Dealers are not allowed to get refunds on remaining VED.  When I chopped my old Octy in, the salesman reminded me to remove the tax disc as it was no use to them, but I could get the refund.

So if a car is sold on the 15th of the month the government get 2 months tax -

1 month for not refunding the tax to the seller

1 month for forcing a buyer to buy full months?

Indeed.

Over millions of vehicles sold privately with tax on them it all adds up.

Keeps some costs down too.

I like the Direct Debit idea.

Previously (only four years ago) the VED ran out on my car and I drove in and put of London nearly every day for five months before someone noticed and told me.

ANPR is a good scare idea, but not that common I believe.

Last time I chopped in a car for a new one they were left with just 7 days on the disc, so I lost nowt.

ANPR is a good scare idea, but not that common I believe.

ANPR is mainly located on arterial routes in and out of major towns and cities, so if you either never travel by car into a major town or city or know the back road routes, your car may never get picked up by an ANPR camera. However as the cost the the cameras / technology comes down they'll proliferate like rabbits in spring time!

 

Also the police use mobile ANPR vans regularly at key locations to identify car tax dodgers so the risks of getting caught are unlikely to decline with these new car tax measures.

ANPR is mainly located on arterial routes in and out of major towns and cities, so if you either never travel by car into a major town or city or know the back road routes, your car may never get picked up by an ANPR camera. However as the cost the the cameras / technology comes down they'll proliferate like rabbits in spring time!

 

Also the police use mobile ANPR vans regularly at key locations to identify car tax dodgers so the risks of getting caught are unlikely to decline with these new car tax measures.

 

Ah, OK.

I still drove down the A12, round the M25 and into London on the M11 daily.  Which are the major routes in that area.

Never got spotted once.

 

Maybe they have become more common now.

Don't forget if you don't tax the vehicle you will have to sign the SORN, if you neither a fine will come through the post about a month later.

So if the ANPR doesn't get  you the DVLA will.

I don't really understand why.

 

I sell you a car with 2 months road tax already on it, we come to an agreement on the price including the tax and then you tax the car when the 2 months are up.  How is the government getting 2 lots of tax at the same time?

I was referring to when you trade a car into a dealer. You can only reclaim full months and you will have to tax the new car from the beginning of the month. 

One example is,

Where people have not kept cars Insured while waiting to sell, & they have been putting on SORN, & kept off the road, (because they insured their new car.)

 and getting the part refund on the VED.

 

The buyer then buys into the month and taxes back to the beginning of a month.

 

It is 2014, and we get paid by the day often, get interest by the day, pay phone and internet as used.  Not Calender monthly.

 

So the DVLA an Executive Agency with Billion Pound IT Systems,

could very easily have it charged at the start date anytime in a month, after all there is no Paper Tax Disc.

Just a thought, but what will Scotland do if they go independent? Will they set up their own road fund system, registration plates etc or will they pay the DVLA to run it for them?

Car cloning will be on the up then

If Scotland is Independent setting up a Driver & Vehicle Licencing Department, like they will set up a Passport & Visa Agency will be required.

As will Tax Offices etc

Its not Complicated in a country of Under 6 Million People, to Have the Local Council Offices in Towns with a Computer System that is already in Place 

to work efficiently providing, Travel Passes, Driving Licences, Library Cards, Blue Badges, & other Services.

 

But then thats part of why Scotland might have Independence.

Efficiency of scale, 

Do not keep fixing Broken Systems and wasting Money on useless Agencies, set up Properly Once and have Value for Money from what the Public requires.

 

The Executive Agencies like the DVLA are not fit for purpose, are already Privatized & makes profits for the IT Provider without them ever paying for the failed IT systems.

 

george

 

No. 132

Says what they want to do, but everything is up for discussion in the 18 months following a Yes Vote if there is one.

But then after the First General Election who knows who the Government will be, 

possibly not the SNP,

& who knows what gets arranged or not, it depends on if in the EU or not.

But an Independent Country needs to be Independent surely, or this last decade of build up has been for nothing.

http://scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2013/11/9348/15

Edited 28 August, 201411 yr by goneoffSKi

Heh! You think that other countries will accept scottish passports when they are subject to the same rigorous standards of checking and fraud protection as a library card or bus pass?

 

Let me know how that works out for you....

 

I take it you are voting for independence?