Hi guys,

 

I'm new here (you can probably see that...) and just looking for some advice .

 

I currently have a 12 plate Mazda2 Venture which returns some pretty decent MPG for a 1.3. My other half has the Skoda Citigo on PCP and I've been looking at the Monte Carlo/Black Edition range (also looking at the new line up and the possibility of the SE L).

 

The Mazda2 has some pretty decent MPG and the two engines I've been looking at, for the Fabia, are the 1.2 TSI 105 and the TDI CR 105 (respectively the 110 for the new generation of Fabias). I do a lot of mileage, so diesel would be the better one for the fuel consumption I think?

 

The main dealer seems to believe it's all about selling the Black Edition and, while it is a decent spec level, it doesn't seem to be any incentive for me to move from my current car.

 

I guess what I'm really asking is, against my Mazda2, would it be a wise choice to move over? I like the idea of the servicing included (but not the PCP plan) and my current offer is at £155 a month (based on 10k annual mileage) over 42 months and they would be giving me £7k for my car. This is a bloody awful deal in my opinion, but maybe you guys can put forth some suggestions/alternatives that I may not have considered?

 

 

10k isn't a lot of mileage by any stretch, so is the deal based on 10k enough for you? In which case I'd stick to a cheaper petrol engine, the new 1.2 TSI units are supposed to be very good.

It's not massive mileage no and if I could push higher, I may do. There doesn't appear to be a lot of lee-way and the quote I've been given is quite bad lol

Have a look at a new Polo first (1 years free insurance, £199 for 3 years servicing) or wait until the new Fabia comes out.

I will have a look

Is the new Fabia likely to be worth waiting for? I quite like the old shape and the Monte Carlo looks lovely in red/black.

Have a look on the skoda website mate. The fabia 3 is on there with all the specs, colours and pricing. See if its worth waiting for, for you.

Also. With 10k annual mileage, id go for the TSI.

Its a surprisingly good engine. I test drove the 105bhp version and wouldnt of been able to tell it was only a 1.2 if i didnt know better

1.2 tsi is a great engine but it doesn't return quite as well as manufacturer's claims. Even so costs buttons to run with low insurance, low/ no tax. Its cheaper than the 1.6tdi and has fewer bits that can seriously knacker it. Loving ours which I never thought i'd be saying.

I knew that prices and specs were up but didn't see colours (not checked in the last 24 hours though). The TSI looked quite good on paper until I read reviews and posts on here. Is there a good pull to the 105 on acceleration?

I'm currently looking at mine and comparing against it to see if the change is worth it lol. It's 2 years old with 1 years warranty left and 2 years HP to go on it. The TomTom sat nav unit in it is pants but the car otherwise is lovely (apart from road noise). Looking to test drive a couple Skodas on Saturday

Depends what you call a 'good pull'. Depends what you're used to. It goes quite well, but obviously its not going to pin your head back in the seat.

A test drive is the only way youll be able to tell if its the engine for you tbh.

I dont think youll be disapointed though.

I knew that prices and specs were up but didn't see colours (not checked in the last 24 hours though). The TSI looked quite good on paper until I read reviews and posts on here. Is there a good pull to the 105 on acceleration?

 

 

 

 I always said no but then I was comparing it to a 170bhp diesel. But then we went camping in August and despite being loaded with kit and people that little engine was eager and though never fast, never struggled to keep up. 

 

 One thing I would say, to spec even a Fabia Elegance to that of my Toledo SE will see you paying £2060 more... Depends on your requirements. 

Edited 15 October, 201411 yr by sparks03

Drove both, diesel is a coarse grumbly motor - its also really heavy which impacts on ride, steering, tyre wear etc.

 

Petrol is smooth and quiet, lightweight but probably 10 mpg less.

 

Quite quick too - lots of online evidence that it dynos at 115-120 rather than 105.

Edited 15 October, 201411 yr by camelspyyder

They Dyno better than published official figures, and produce more than say the 105 ps, 122 ps,  180 ps etc figures because in the UK you are never going to be going into high altitudes 

above more than 3,000 ft above sea level, or are driving in ambient temperatures above around 40*oC, or running worse than 95 ron fuel. 

(97, 99 ron)

or Diesels below the Standard we get in the UK /EU.

 

Car manufactures Power Outputs are really a 'Minimum' achievable in all or most world regions,

and the UK it is not really a challenging environment and the UK NSL's mean that vehicles often only need or use 50% of their potential on the public highway.

 

george

 

PS

The Diesel Versions of a Mk2 Fabia are not known for being harder on tyres than say the heavier again at the front half

Fabia vRS (100 kg more / 1.4 tsi with a DSG & so a kerb weight more than the heaviest diesel models.)

Edited 15 October, 201411 yr by goneoffSKi

They Dyno better than published official figures, and produce more than say the 105 ps, 122 ps,  180 ps etc figures because in the UK you are never going to be going into high altitudes 

above more than 3,000 ft above sea level, or are driving in ambient temperatures above around 40*oC, or running worse than 95 ron fuel. 

(97, 99 ron)

or Diesels below the Standard we get in the UK /EU.

 

Car manufactures Power Outputs are really a 'Minimum' achievable in all or most world regions,

and the UK it is not really a challenging environment and the UK NSL's mean that vehicles often only need or use 50% of their potential on the public highway.

 

george

 

PS

The Diesel Versions of a Mk2 Fabia are not known for being harder on tyres than say the heavier again at the front half

Fabia vRS (100 kg more / 1.4 tsi with a DSG & so a kerb weight more than the heaviest diesel models.)

 

OP is not looking at vRS but is comparing TSi 105 vs TDI 105 - Kerb weights 1055 v's 1144kg.   In old money 196lbs heavier and all on the front.  Thats going to have an effect.

 

 

Tackyauto - The fabia TSI will wallop your mazda on performance and get very close on mpg according to Parkers Guide.  You'd need to do big miles to make the diesel worthwhile finance-wise, so your 10k annual estimate is petrol territory.

Edited 15 October, 201411 yr by camelspyyder

Some interesting information there guys, much appreciated!

 

Obviously a test drive is booked for the weekend, but I guess the two closest cars I have for comparison would be a 115 TDI MG ZR (I did actually uprate to 155-160bhp but I am going on the standard output) and a MK4 VW Golf at 90bhp.

OP is not looking at vRS but is comparing TSi 105 vs TDI 105 - Kerb weights 1055 v's 1144kg.   In old money 196lbs heavier and all on the front.  Thats going to have an effect.

 

 

Tackyauto - The fabia TSI will wallop your mazda on performance and get very close on mpg according to Parkers Guide.  You'd need to do big miles to make the diesel worthwhile finance-wise, so your 10k annual estimate is petrol territory.

In terms of power, no doubt and it's good to know that MPG isn't too behind either . Looking forward to a test drive

A 10k. a year car using diesel is bonkers now,  you need to have a petrol engine. DERV's are becoming increasingly more complicated and will have too may expensive bills in the future.

The extra upfront weight does have an adverse effect, and that is sometimes on killing bushes etc a bit quicker, plus springs and dampers,

but not really the tyres.

Then there is the DPF issue that many says is not an issue, but is the Elephant in the Room.

 

The saving of a £100 per year on VED & a possible better fuel consumption with the diesel might 

not prove to be a long term saving over driving the rather nippy 1.2 TSI 105 ps, which can be remapped easily or just have a Tuning Box fitted.

 

It is down to what you like to drive, miles being done and how long you are keeping, or how you buy, or lease.

10,000 miles a year not being a lot of miles.

 

Have fun deciding though.

Edited 15 October, 201411 yr by goneoffSKi

Most of my mileage is commuting to and from work, so no major distances and so, yes, petrol should suffice. The Mazda is is fairly well spec'd (saying that, I hate the sat nav unit in it with a passion) and I'd be looking for the same if not more spec.

 

Are there other makes I should consider? Maybe the Nissan Juke? Seems to be around the same price level and well spec'd. No experience with them though lol

Nice username

Nice username

I think he's a Renault dealer

Go 1.2TSI monte or wait for the mk3....

I have recently purchased the 1.2 TSI Fabia Black Edition & what were the winner for me were the extras thrown in along with 0% Finance and 3 years free servicing.

 

As for the engine I must admit it does in my opinion let the car down, just doesn't have enough grunt for me but I kind of expected that coming from a Ford ST then a vRS.

 

I keep reminding myself though the ££££ I am saving, puts a smile on my face every time

Most of my mileage is commuting to and from work, so no major distances and so, yes, petrol should suffice. The Mazda is is fairly well spec'd (saying that, I hate the sat nav unit in it with a passion) and I'd be looking for the same if not more spec.

 

Are there other makes I should consider? Maybe the Nissan Juke? Seems to be around the same price level and well spec'd. No experience with them though lol

 

Nissan Juke - you might want to go to Specsavers first

Nice username

 

If that was directed at me... Then thanks! It's an awesome name that the beloved Xbox randomly generated

 

I think he's a Renault dealer

 

I dislike French stuff... But sure lol

 

Go 1.2TSI monte or wait for the mk3....

 

TSI Monte Carlo or Monte Carlo BE?

 

I have recently purchased the 1.2 TSI Fabia Black Edition & what were the winner for me were the extras thrown in along with 0% Finance and 3 years free servicing.

 

As for the engine I must admit it does in my opinion let the car down, just doesn't have enough grunt for me but I kind of expected that coming from a Ford ST then a vRS.

 

I keep reminding myself though the ££££ I am saving, puts a smile on my face every time

 

I'd be interested in seeing what it is like. I'm all for a bit of power, but I love fuel efficiency and a balance would be ideal

 

Nissan Juke - you might want to go to Specsavers first

 

They don't look that bad! My preference would be the Juke R, but hey each to their own lol.

 

To be honest guys, I'm between a rock and a hard place at the moment as my other half has just found out that her Citigo Elegance (£11k retail) has just lost £4k in depreciation in the space of 14 months... That's the worst depreciation I've ever seen on a car recently. I hope all Skodas don't suffer that hit, otherwise I'll avoid them lol (Especially on a PCP basis... Bit of a scam when the cars worth jack all when you come to swap it for another car).

 

Still, I think it's better to get peoples views and experiences on this rather than to just assume the worst lol