I'm on the fence. Should I or shouldn't I. I don't do the mileage to need a diesel as 35k in 5 years. But it's only a weekend car so it's mostly long journey's.

Very tempted by the mk3 TSi as on paper it's less co2 than my current mk2FL and consumption isn't far of mine either.

But then it comes with a big price tag!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-30119279

Are you trying to pollute the earth? Diesels= less fuel being burnt= less pollution. Certainly the case now no particulates to worry about.

No particulates?    Are you serious?   The filters are making the particulates smaller which gets them taken deeper into the lungs, hence why children being diagnosed with asthma is continuing to spiral out of control.

As with everything the problems will be overcome and things like dpf's will be cheaper and more reliable.

 

 Think about it, if you ever had the pleasure to drive an early Ford 1.6 or 2.3 diesel, that would have been enough to put you off for life but the engine was developed, turbo chargers were added and all the scare mongering started about the massive repair costs when they went wrong, nowadays all these problems have been overcome, the PD engine, drives well, great reliability too, the next generation of this engine the CR was also very good but it has to carry a dpf, the dpf has a few special requests to keep it tip top, adhere to these simple rules and you will have no issue but the dpf does have a life and will need replacing at some point, the more that get replaced the more they will be produced and developed and price will drop.

 

 The replacement for dpf is probably already being tested keeping this evolution going, I am happy to run a diesel and have two of them, I would not be able to get a petrol car that would do 600 miles a week up and down the M62 on £60 of fuel.

 

 As for driving into city's and paying extra to do so, that is an easy fix, don't go into the city, you pay far too much for parking, pay far too much for what you are buying and you could go to one of the thousands of outlet/out of town shopping areas or use a park and ride, then you can go into the city on a bus with a 6" exhaust outlet belching black smoke everywhere for free.

 

 

 Long Live the Diesel engine   

Soon we will hear from the Governments and others.

 

Diesel / Derv / Heavy Oil Road Fuel takes less refining,

and uses less energy to produce & causes less pollution than the refining of 'Benzene / Petrol.'

 

Diesels do not require Carbon Fuels from under the ground,

like the Petrol / Benzene engines they can run of fuels grown on the Lands Surface.

 

Governments want Car Manufacturers Manufacturing, building and employing, and its always all change,

because Vehicles lasting for many years does not mean Money & Finance Pyramid Selling.

 

So expect Scrappage Schemes announced on Diesel Cars some time soon.

 

More energy waste & pollution scrapping good cars to build & sell more rubbish like some of the Euro 5 ones that were punted after the last £2,000 bribe.

 

eg,

ECO Tyres.

Less Friction & noise and some last ages and some last no time, 

& you replace more often, or get shot of after buying a new car because they are rubbish in the conditions you drive in.

Is that really Green or Economical to the Owner or the World.?

No particulates?    Are you serious?   The filters are making the particulates smaller which gets them taken deeper into the lungs, hence why children being diagnosed with asthma is continuing to spiral out of control.

It actually burns them off. But if you want it your way, no problem, its even better. Burn less fuel than a petrol, so reducing greenhouse gas emissions, and at the same time thinning out the worlds population. All good this end :clap:

I think diesels will slowly disappear in passenger cars over the next decade and I am saying that on the back of the fact that we have an old Citroen Xzara 1.9 non turbo (!!) as a family run around hack. As noisy as a tractor but reliable as hell with the 'old school' diesel lump. But things/times have changed.

France is a good example as to why. Diesel sales used to be 4:1 against petrol. Now it's 2:1 and the gap getting smaller. Why?

Government legislation encouraged better pricing at pumps...a decade or so on and diesel dearer than unleaded in France and car road tax now more costly. New car 'Deals' by car manufacturers (again, supported with Government subsidies especially the PSA group) all but dried up now as Government pulls funding. Petrol cars cheaper new. Significantly.

Contaminates in exhausts (and other areas) make recycling of a diesel more of a headache as I understand it (?). Servicing is more costly (glow plugs, diesel filters etc) than a petrol plus an alarming rate of diesel fuel injector system issues (dealer call backs - notably Mercedes and Nissan/Renault group but not exclusively).

Also, small turbo/petrol engined technology remarkable nowadays - that's changed over the last decade (1.0 eco boost by ford for example). Hybrids? No, I do t think so in the long term (too tetchy and expensive) but I think Tesla will be there within the next few years (affordable electric car for the masses).

Oh, and ever been behind a (new or old) diesel when it accelerates hard? James Bond would be proud of that smoke screen

Government legislation encouraged better pricing at pumps...a decade or so on and diesel dearer than unleaded in France;)

Diesel dearer than unleaded in France? Current figure show diesel at 1.09 and unleaded at 1.24.

Hmmm. Thanks Moley - is that off t'internet? We have just driven down to the outlaws in Perpignan from Geneva and are on the way back (currently on the road back near Lyon) and have yet to see diesel cheaper than 95 Ron OTHER THAN one stop at a Carrefour supermarket near Toulouse where it's was a bit cheaper.

We drive down through France three times or so a year (used to be from the UK but now from Switzerland as of September last year due to work - been doing so for 20 years as wifey is French) and the prices of diesel have slowly risen. In about 1999 it was crazy cheap as government flooded the market with incentives (on new diesel cars and at the pumps). Now, not the case. Change afoot for sure unless there is a crazy legislation introduced again when the new 'post Hollande' government kicks in.

I was from internet. I found this site and it reflects pretty much what we a paying in the UK, so I hope the French prices are more acurate.

http://www.fuel-prices-europe.info/

 

France: Unleaded 1.405 Diesel 1.212

Edited 16 April, 201511 yr by moley

The thing is we live in the UK, and even French people seem to want to stay in the UK.

& the UK has Sterling & UK Taxes & Duties and roads and weather.

 

If the UK stays part of the EU, and i hope it will, the UK Government are still not going to do every thing the EU tells them to do with 

Emissions, MOTs, Speed Limits etc.

Location Location Location and the UK is an Island Nation & going to have different prices from Mainland Europe.

 

Sometime the Diesel Scrappage Scheme might arrive in the UK again and for Dirty Diesels, & not for HGV's, Plant & Agricultural Vehicles.

As for the Death of Diesel Passenger Cars, 

the Volkswagen Group & the Other German Manufacturers are in no hurry to see that happen.

Also, small turbo/petrol engined technology remarkable nowadays - that's changed over the last decade (1.0 eco boost by ford for example). Hybrids? No, I do t think so in the long term (too tetchy and expensive) but I think Tesla will be there within the next few years (affordable electric car for the masses).

 

You talk of diesel injector issues? Let me make a prophecy here, small petrol engines with turbos which are massively popular right now are going to be every drivers nightmare in a few years time when their own special breed of problems start surfacing. That's going to be a major problem, people driving highly strung petrol cars which need the guts revved out of them to get any sort of driveability, and by the time they all come off lease or out of warranty plus a couple of years, they're going to be very costly to maintain.

the VWG drop using Dual Chargers  & go Turbo & Cylinder on Demand / Deactivation.

These will be as interesting as the Twinchargers have been.

http://revotechnik.com/support/technical/14tsi-twincharger-engine-issues

 

Volvo are going on with the Twincharger Technology, but then they always advance & perfect and improve.

while VW just pretend it never happened, advance and suck it and see, and if it does not work out, nobody will notice.

I hear you RustyNuts and you may well be right if things get over complicated with electronic this and ECU chip that....

Remember, though, that the Japanese have had turbo technology in small engined petrol cars for nearly 40 years....Datsun kicked it off with the L series 1.3 in about 1976 I think. Still bombing around in them (Cappucino was last mainstream car with the 3 cylinder turbo lump I think).

The ongoing Japanese race series of 'Kei' series small cars proves how reliable they can be and they really do thrash them. The engines are a bit like the British/SouthAfrican Cross flow.....tough as old boots

But who knows, eh? Maybe Lamborghini will bring out a diesel. I've seen the diesel Maserati Ghibli at Geneva. And Porsche have dropped a diesel in the four door thing.....

Sacrilege

There is a big difference with the Car Manufacturers in the East & Asia, and that is when they got it wrong we never stop being told about it,

and the person in charge knows what they are expected to do.  Sad.

Recalls , Good Will, Gestures and improvements.

 

With the European Manufacturers, they have never heard of the faults, Driver Error, Blown Out of all proportion, 

Move on Nothing to see here,  'They all do that'.

Discontinue the model eventually and launch another with new or just similar issues and no Publication is going to say 

too much, and the 3 Monkeys kick in.