Even if you don't check at the time of purchase, the seller is still on the hook for selling an unroadworthy vehicle if it comes out soon enough after.

Its not a subject that has been raised in any of the previous DPF threads, I don't think, that any car with a DPF delete is effectively illegal to sell (even privately).

But who is responsible if it goes through 3 sellers like that

The previous owner will be on the hook.

It's quite simple, as long as a new DPF costs in excess of £1,000 people will always opt to have them removed from £250, illegal or not.

 

Remove the DPF, or bin the car and buy a new one.

 

The very fact that DPF removal costs have plummeted of late together with the increasing number of companies offering the service would suggest that there is money to be made.

 

Quite possibly more than that made by performing MOT's?

 

If only the DVSA put as much effort into working with the manufacturers to reduce or offset the cost of new DPF's as they do with updating the test standards. Tackle the issue from both sides, implement and enforce legislation and minimise the temptation from consumers to try and circumnavigate the law.

After all the years we've had dpfs, I can't believe people are still so up in arms about them.

They're here to stay and legislation will only get more stringent with regards to vehicle emissions. After all this time, anybody considering removing one is gonna be in a spot sooner or later.

It's because they are still £1,000+.

 

By now the cost of catalytic converters had fallen to a point a replacement was easily considered as a consumable.

 

Making them cheaper (reduced margin's) will nip the issue in the bud.

It should also be noted that in my experience of the (very) many DPF related threads there is a common theme...

 

Those that are in the "don't be stupid, leave well alone" camp have enjoyed a diesel fuelled life with a fully working DPF.

 

Those that are a little more open to the reasons why someone may decide to have their DPF removed have been in the rather unpleasant situation of driving a car with a faulty DPF.

 

If you haven't guessed I'm in the latter, arguably the minority. This is because DPF failures these days are thankfully becoming a rarity.

 

I have and will continue to sympathise with any VAG PD170 engine owners who have been in the situation I was in. In the end I decided to sell the car whilst it was having a good week rather than remove the DPF.

It's because they are still £1,000+.

 

By now the cost of catalytic converters had fallen to a point a replacement was easily considered as a consumable.

 

Making them cheaper (reduced margin's) will nip the issue in the bud.

 

Not according to the search I've just done.

Have a look at www.Cats2U.co.uk

 

Examples

Mondeo £139.99

Audi A4 £319.99

Agreed costs are coming down but it should be noted that those prices are for patterned parts and are excluding VAT and delivery. OEM is still generally around the £1,200 mark.

 

I appreciate the quality of pattern parts varies quite considerably but my experience of non-genuine exhaust systems hasn't been favourable. I'd imagine there is ample opportunity for cost savings on aftermarket DPF's. This is just an assumption though.

 

It should also be noted that the OEM price is inclusive of fitting which makes up a sizeable proportion of the total cost.

 

You would really need to add on 3 to 4 hours labour on top of those prices from Cats2U for fitting.

 

Good find though, I see a DPF for a 2.0 litre Octavia is £351 plus VAT (£421), plus delivery (£431) and let's say £300 for fitting - £731. Quite a saving over a Skoda main dealer.

 

Long may the reductions continue.

The only times I've heard of people having problems is those who've bought diesels but only do short journeys of less than a few miles. These people should have gone for petrol but instead focus on mpg figures which with such low mileages they'd get very close to with a petrol version.

The only times I've heard of people having problems is those who've bought diesels but only do short journeys of less than a few miles. These people should have gone for petrol but instead focus on mpg figures which with such low mileages they'd get very close to with a petrol version.

The amount of elderly who will buy a small diesel for running about town and get worried about the big light on the dash is amazing, people don't research the cars compared to their purpose for the cars

Potential buyers of DPF equipped car should really do their homework before purchasing.

 

If you don't do the miles or, when the time comes, can't/won't pay for a replacement DPF, then buy a car without one, simple as that.

 

Performing dubious modifications is not the answer.

Potential buyers of DPF equipped car should really do their homework before purchasing.

If you don't do the miles or, when the time comes, can't/won't pay for a replacement DPF, then buy a car without one, simple as that.

Performing dubious modifications is not the answer.

Spot on

You're assuming all DPF failures are driver related. They aren't.

 

As I've already mentioned the DPF on the PD170 is notoriously unreliable, new technology fitted to an older engine.

 

It's all too easy for the manufacturers to blame the driving style for DPF faults when (as in this case) it is the system itself that is at fault.

 

Why should a consumer have to research the pros and con's of DPF's before buying a car? To what level of technical detail should a customer have to arm themselves with? Next time you are down the pub ask your mates if they know what a DPF is or what it does. I'm not a betting man but I'm guessing I already know the answer.

 

This basic level of information is the responsibility of the manufacturer and their franchised dealer network. Some are better than others but there are still people buying diesels today without the knowledge needed being provided at the point of sale. Selling you a panoramic sunroof earns a dealer money. Selling you a cheaper petrol model makes them less money.

 

What would it take to add a note on the website car configurator or salesman's order form when a diesel engine is selected?

 

When was the last time you saw a manufacturer shouting about the fuel efficiency of their latest diesel engine compared with them bigging up the effectiveness of their vehicles DPF?

 

Someone who turn's around and says "if you can't afford to replace it then you shouldn't have bought it" smacks of "I'm alright Jack" to me.

 

Come back and let us know how you feel when you've experienced both a fully working DPF and one that is clearly not fit for purpose.

VW give a bit more advice online than Skoda bother to do.

a pity that salespeople do not bring it to more customers attention.

http://volkswagen.co.uk/need-help/technology/dpf-short-journeys

 

There were and are still Dealerships that had & have Customers placing orders sign a declaration that the DPF was explained to them.

Good to hear.