I wonder about the Motoring Journalist that sit on these Panels that end up with Manufacturers getting awards.

Some must be called Tommy.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Engine_of_the_Year

I wonder about the Motoring Journalist that sit on these Panels that end up with Manufacturers getting awards.

Some must be called Tommy.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Engine_of_the_Year

 

I doubt reliability is one of the KPIs for that panel.

I was at the Audi parts counter yesterday,  a lady came in for some top up oil for her A1 TSI and asked why it consumes so much oil, the parts guy says it does need topping up every 1500 miles and it says so in the car handbook.   Does this mean VAG are now covering themselves in case of future legal action?

Good on him but a lot of cars use oil nowadays, and classed as the norm. 

 

Only by VAG!

 

I had a Mondeo with the 200bhp Ecoboost engine and in a year of ownership it used absolutely no oil whatsoever. The next evolution of this engine, with no hardware mods, was increased to 240 bhp. If Ford can do it ...

My 330d burns no oil either, and is over 220k miles... 

 

My Skoda was the worst car I've owned for oil consumption, and I've owned an RX-8 which injected oil into the chambers by design!

 

Reading around on here + those surveys + my previous experiences are enough to put me off VAG for a long time (either new or used).  

Edited 24 April, 201511 yr by TriggerFish

For every engine in the Polo, Ibiza, Fabia, A1 the owners manual says,

'May use as much as 0.5 litres 1000km. dependent on driving style, conditions of use etc etc 

 

That is for all engines 44 -136 kw , 3 or 4 Cylinder, Petrol or Diesel, 

and some have a Oil Capacity of 2.8, 3.6, 3.9 or 4.3 litres of Oil.

 

So a 1.4TSI with a 3.6 litre oil capacity can be more than 25% low in Oil and still have no Low Oil warning Light or Message.

(I have seen ones that required 1.3 litres to get them to the correct level, no oil on the dipstick and no warning light or message had shown,  so they were more than 1/3 low on oil, i have seen ones, showing 'Low Oil Pressure' and no LOw Oil Warning had shown, Light or message. )

 

Also all apart from the 44kw engine is supposed to be checked at operating Temperature for the Oil,

but Lost in Translation in the Skoda Owners Manual says when Warm, and after a few minutes.

 

So many different translations to English from German, CZ or Spanish.

No wonder there is so much confusion, and then there is the crap dipsticks,  Are 'A', 'B' 'C',  and the Translation on 'May' add oil, 

'Must ' add etc

Edited 24 April, 201511 yr by goneoffSKi

Yes it's all too complicated these days, just had a look at my Audi S4 handbook about oil levels, it says switch off engine (meaning it should be checked when hot :think: ) dip the oil for a level.  Your right, the diagram shows three different markings on the stick, May top up, normal level and must top up

'Watchdog', BBC1 @ 8pm tonight have a feature on the Audi Engine high oil use issue.

Hopefully other brand owners will be contacting them to advise it affects other TSI engines

The vag group reminds me of tescos. Start of a pretty decent company then grow like mad. Then screw the customers because they get so far up the rear end, now I'm just waiting on the big crash. I doubt very much my next car is going to be a vag.

The vag group reminds me of tescos. Start of a pretty decent company then grow like mad. Then screw the customers because they get so far up the rear end, now I'm just waiting on the big crash. I doubt very much my next car is going to be a vag.

There was a point in time when i believed if you bought a VAG car you were buying quality that would have little issues

This is not the case anymore, in the same bracket at peugeots / citroens / fords id say nowadays.

In fact all cars nowadays seem to have a 5 year life span until they start to fall apart

Few good comments there, def too big too quick and some suffer. That said, getting it in perspective it doesn't make it right but in their eyes it's a small number.

In fairness most have my vag cars have been excellent, few have been below par but it isn't all of them

So according to bbc watchdog in the USA 126,000 engines have been replaced after the class action about the 2.0 tfsi engine problems,so Vag have known about the issue with the piston rings for some time but have treated the UK owners like idiots telling them the engine needs to be topped up with oil at short intervals at the owners expense,the only time an engine needs this amount of oil is when there is something wrong ,which means Audi have been lying to UK customer/owners for some time and waiting for the warranty to run out to avoid VAG the costs And let the Audi owners pay,but it now appears via watchdog those that have paid will be refunded.

The vag group reminds me of tescos. Start of a pretty decent company then grow like mad. Then screw the customers because they get so far up the rear end, now I'm just waiting on the big crash. I doubt very much my next car is going to be a vag.

That or they're embracing their heritage. Most DKW'S used oil in a similar fashion.

That or they're embracing their heritage. Most DKW'S used oil in a similar fashion.

 

The 2 stroke ones?

Yeah, that's the one

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/358101-vrs-mk-ii-14-litre-twincharger-oil-consumption-issues

A Post for a Briskoda Sticky maybe for Skoda Owners,

and will not only apply to the Mk2 Fabia vRS 1.4 TSI Twinchargers.

 

Then there is this handy link from REVO that shows in one place the possible problems & Issues.

http://revotechnik.com/support/technical/14tsi-twincharger-engine-issues

Edited 5 June, 201511 yr by goneoffSKi

So is it just the cynic in me or do others think Audi will fix the 5 mentioned in the program and squirm out of the rest citing a lack of FDSH etc?

Perhaps the Audi owners manual should state 'Every time you pull into a fuel station to fill up with oil, check the fuel level'.

 

It used to be the other way around.

I think all manufacturers should be forced to do a standardised oil consumption test over, say, 10,000 miles, imitating multiple journey types, varying loads, various levels of acceleration and a defined number of cold and hot starts. Similar to the standard fuel consumption tests.

The manufacturers would be forced to quote the figures for each engine / car combination and where owners achieved consumption that was 10% over the stated figures then the manufacturer would be forced to take action to rectify.

 

It would prevent them from wriggling out of responsibility and putting in oil consumption allowances which frankly are closer to those expected when manufacturing tolerances were measured with the eye!

 

I ran a 2.4 V6 Audi A4 some years back and I calculated that at the time the cost of keeping it topped up with oil was roughly equivalent to an extra 4p on every litre of petrol I filled up with.