With the EU hitting the UK with fines over diesel cars and France (who subsidise the pump price of diesel) looking to BAN diesel cars (in Paris at least) I can see a sticky end to our 60mpg fun soon....

 

VAG, PSA, Mercdes, Volvo and Scania are in for a shock...

Hysteria whipped up by the press.  Bans are likely to be only on older diesels - pre-Euro4 or perhaps pre-Euro5.

 

"With the EU hitting the UK with fines over diesel cars"?  Do you mean over air quality?  Not just diesel cars contribute to that.

PAAANNNIIICCC!!!!!!!!!!

 

on second thoughts don't bother panicking - just wait and see how it pans out - might be something and nothing and probably won't kick in before you've bought a new car anyhows!

 

I certainly have no intention of changing my fleet just because of some crappy legislation and will run them until they are expired or die!

With the EU hitting the UK with fines over diesel cars and France (who subsidise the pump price of diesel) looking to BAN diesel cars (in Paris at least) I can see a sticky end to our 60mpg fun soon....

 

VAG, PSA, Mercdes, Volvo and Scania are in for a shock...

Sit tight. In the words of Frankie Howerd: " Ohhhhh yes missus. Panic yee not".

Some would argue modern petrol engines are worse polluters than diesels...

 

'New gasoline direct injection (GDI) car petrol engines emit more cancer causing particles than modern diesel engines, a study by independent vehicle researchers TUV Nord claimed.

While GDI engines make petrol cars more fuel efficient and emit less CO2, the findings show that these engines typically release around 1,000 times more harmful particles than traditional petrol engines and 10 times more than new diesels.

 

"The cost of a filter to eliminate particle emissions from GDI cars is low (around EUR50), with no loss in fuel efficiency and a big societal benefit. Despite this, carmakers are delaying fitting filters on GDI cars," TUV Nord said.

 

Greg Archer, clean vehicles manager at Transport & Environment, said: “Cars are the largest source of air pollution in Europe’s cities and 90% of European citizens are already exposed to harmful levels of particle pollution. Carmakers’ reluctance to install cheap particle filters on GDI engines means that society as a whole has to pay the cost through more ill health.”

 

EU laws already require particle filters to be fitted to all new diesel cars but there is no mandatory requirement for new petrol engines. By 2020, GDI engines are expected to power almost all new petrol cars sold in Europe, accounting for around half of all new passenger vehicles.

 

Vehicles tested by TUV Nord all showed the number of particles emitted from GDI engines is likely to exceed the 2017 European emissions limits, Euro 6. Emissions from the Renault Mégane were almost twice as high as those from the Ford Focus and Hyundai i40, when tested without a gasoline particle filter fitted. Fitting the filter reduced the number of particles in the exhaust by a factor of around 2,000, enabling the car to emit levels of particles in similar numbers to those found in unpolluted air.

 

There is also widespread concern that, as with fuel economy figures for cars, there will be a large disparity between particle emissions in vehicle tests and the actual emissions from real-world driving. With a filter fitted the emissions are negligible under all driving conditions.

 

“More fuel-efficient, lower CO2 GDI engines would be a great innovation if they did not emit harmful particles. These particles can be eliminated for the price of a hands free kit. It’s time for car makers to act responsibly and make petrol cars less polluting overall,” Archer said.'

Edited 6 May, 201511 yr by silver1011

But in answer to you question, yes please.....c'mon, hand it over.. !

With the EU hitting the UK with fines over diesel cars and France (who subsidise the pump price of diesel) looking to BAN diesel cars (in Paris at least) I can see a sticky end to our 60mpg fun soon....

 

VAG, PSA, Mercdes, Volvo and Scania are in for a shock...

 

Black Cab drivers with their 10 y/o+ cabs, all the metropolitan bus companies with their 10 y/o+ buses, coaches, small businesses that run diesel vans, minicab businesses .... Can you imagine the uproar?

Isn't it more likely that they would re-run the scrappage scheme, to get older cars off the roads?

council buses will be the  first off the road then

Having just recently bought a 14 plate diesel Superb this is very concerning.  As it is EU5 I suspect that they will levy an additional charge as its not EU6!

 

Regards,

Conor

All this is adjusting the deckchairs on the Titanic if they still let all the obviously polluting trucks and buses drive unhindered in the same cities. Taxation is far more about what a government can get away with without the population revolting than making taxes to genuinely improve quality of life, and non-commercial car drivers are the ultimate soft target in this regard... 

I have no interest in any modern diesels. The last good diesel was the TDI 1.9. Everything since has just been developed for meeting ever-changing emissions requirements at the cost of reliability, performance and usability. One on our cars is a petrol and the other is an end of 2010 diesel which just got registered in the last few days you could still sell a car without a DPF (it doesn't have a DMF either) and it will be replaced with a petrol too.

 

The writing has been on the wall for years and I am sad when I see people are still buying them thinking they are going to 'save them money'.

HMG might think...."mmmmm, we have to import 4 to 5 weeks of diesel each year cos our refineries dont make enough, and they cant be changed, and we wont get new ones, I KNOW, lets make diesels unpopular, reduce demand at the pumps and increase sales of petrol, which we make plenty off....."

 

 

or am i being cynical?

 

bitter?

 

twisted?

 

all 3?

Trucks, buses, coaches, boats and many rail loco's will be be banned then too?

 

My cars a Czech build by  aGerman company so lets fine THEM for selling them! 

Isn't it more likely that they would re-run the scrappage scheme, to get older cars off the roads?

 

Old? mine was only built in December!

Edited 11 May, 201511 yr by lichfielddriver

I forgot about the UK's MOD fleet of trucks, APC's, LR's Tanks, etc, etc

I forgot about the UK's MOD fleet of trucks, APC's, LR's Tanks, etc, etc

Can you imagine a Challenger going into limp mode because the DPF is clogged?

Can you imagine a Challenger going into limp mode because the DPF is clogged?

 

worryingly yes......