I have a vrs SE with 133k on but fsh and it's a solid unit. Has a Sachs clutch that's only a few years old and never slips. I was planning to keep the car sensibly

Modified but reading briskoda seems to send me a bit crazy and I crave big power.

It's pretty much standard at moment and I'm working on handling at present.

But eventually I want some more boost.

Should I risk a gtb at such high mileage or should I just get a remap and intercooler and be happy with what I've got, all being well I plan to keep the car for 4 years through uni.

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Nothing wrong with a gtb at that mileage.

If your happy enough standard I'd get one if xmans pd170 hybrid turbos or the one I recently got the gt17/52 hybrid and a nice fmic and remap that to around 220bhp.

If you go crazy it's a money pit.

I run a gtb at 254bhp with 138k on the clocks and its hold up well, not that I use it much these days

Although I rate the gtb set up its not just a bolt on job as you'll need a custom exhaust, fmic, map (setting up the turbo) then once all that you could get clutch slip map dependant, and then once all that is done you'd benefit from a lsd to make the most of it.

I couldn't agree more with Hutchy, mines a money pit.

I'm preferring the sound of

The pd170 to be honest I didn't know the logistics of mounting a 16v turbo onto a 8v manifold. The pd150, which I believe is bolt on, doesn't have enough power I want to see past 200bhp. What's the sort of benchmark price on the hybrid. I know the gtb is £800 but that's just manifold and turbo need to do exhaust and map on top of that. Which I'm planning on doing anyway, been quoted £379 for exhaust with dummy cat from tony banks.

220bhp is a figure I would be happy with.

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No need for an exhaust. For bolt on I would go for a GT1749VB with a 52mm billet compressor wheel, PD150 head bolts, PD160 intake pipe and a FMIC. Oh and a clutch to get the most from the torque.

sorry to thread hijack!

 

i'm also looking to get my fabia up to around the 200 bhp mark, and will be probably looking to get one of xmans units.

 

so the std exhaust with cat is fine to achieve 200 ish? the pd160 intakes seem so expensive for what they are, do they improve things that much?

Just make a cold air feed up out of the biggest pipe you can fit in if you don't want to spend on a PD160 intake, although the PD160 intake does look better/neater

sorry to thread hijack!

 

i'm also looking to get my fabia up to around the 200 bhp mark, and will be probably looking to get one of xmans units.

 

so the std exhaust with cat is fine to achieve 200 ish? the pd160 intakes seem so expensive for what they are, do they improve things that much?

Not so sure on the exhaust as it's one of the restrictive items when going past stage 1, chip. I would chip it and then see what you want to do. That will get you somewhere between 165-180 normally, depending on year and then you can go from their. Standard cat back exhaust would come next as could the S2000 filter. Not sure how much difference the intakes make and it is hotly disputed anyway.

 

As for GTB or no... hmmm if you can afford it, and the extras, then go for it. If not then yes money could be spent elsewhere.

I made 227 on stock exhaust system (hybrid) just decatted and custom intake standard air filter - no need unless going past 240.

very nice, any other supporting mods (apart from the hybrid) to reach that figure? 

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I run a gtb at 254bhp with 138k on the clocks and its hold up well, not that I use it much these days

Although I rate the gtb set up its not just a bolt on job as you'll need a custom exhaust, fmic, map (setting up the turbo) then once all that you could get clutch slip map dependant, and then once all that is done you'd benefit from a lsd to make the most of it.

I couldn't agree more with Hutchy, mines a money pit.

don't forget most important BRAKES to stop it...

I went PD150 hybrid at first. Got bored with it as it majorly dropped off past 4k revs. Really took the fun out of it for me.

 

I started putting the car back to standard to sell up and buy a Golf R. Then I went f**k it and went mad!...

 

Best move ever putting a GTB on the car. Money pit indeed though. Brakes, suspension, FMIC, clutch...  Although somehow my standard clutch is still holding after 128k miles with the last 40k being 200bhp or over!

 

As Paul said though, it isn't a bolt on conversion. So you could do with being handy with the spanners and doing it yourself if you wanted to go down this route. The good thing is that there's a multitude of people who've done the conversion now. So lots of people to help

 

 

Oh and don't waste your money with a PD160 intake. I run a cone and the standard PD130 intake and it's certainly fine!

don't forget most important BRAKES to stop it...

very true.

I've got ebc drilled and grooved discs but they haven't got as much bite as I wanted really. So probably gonna go 312mm route at some point.

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So what's this pd170 hybrid? Will it run ok with a decat pipe, an airtec fmic and a remap? And what sorta prices is it?

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PD170 hybrid - straight bolt on, aprox 200bhp

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/290864-garrett-gt1749vc-based-hybrid-turbo-for-pd130-asz-19tdi/

Or

Gt17/52 - straight bolt on, nothing els needed, same as the pd170 hybrid but bigger 220bhp

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/326620-garrett-gt1752-hybrid-turbocharger-for-20tdi-pd140-bkd-bkp-220bhp-potential-bargain/page-2#entry4235330

I'd go for the gt17/52 if you want 200bhp. That and the fmic will get you 200bhp. No need to touch the exhaust.

Thanks for all your advice I'll have a read up now!

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smaller gtb over a hybrid for around 200bhp all day every day

Why do you say that?

The price would be double for a smaller gtb fitted than a hybrid.

the gtb is an off the shelf, non-modified turbo with all the r&d and build quality that goes with it. plus having had a hybrid before the 2260 went on, it's just a bit nicer. less spikey(?)

I have to agree. The GTB's are a much nicer turbo. Even a gtb1756 or gtb2260 on a stock pd130 map is perfectly fine. No overboost and follows requested fine.

Only problem being... if you had a GTB fitted, there's no way you'd be keeping it at stock boost for long!!

 

 

As above... the main thing that I noticed when going from a PD150 hybrid to a GTB2260 was how smoothly is comes on boost. My old hybrid was quite savage in comparison. I'd go as far to say that my car with 40-50bhp & 50-60ft/lbs more than before is actually far more drivable than my old setup was.

 

I'd say it's worth the hassle to fit a GTB now and run it at a lower boost until you had the other components sorted. They're not difficult to fit.

I can see the argument on both sides, I looked into it and with my target being around 220bhp the hybrid ruit seemed the easiest, I wanted a simple bolt on turbo that I could remap to around 220bhp and the gt17/52 fitted that perfectly and cost £450.

I couldn't be bothered changing exhaust, aftermarket oil feed pipes and return pipe as well as some pipework, not only the hassle but added cost for the exhaust and oil feed pipe + the extra £300? Again for the turbo, it simply didn't seem worth it.

Not everybody wants to mess around doing all that.

So many conflicting opinions...

Looking into either a gtb or a hybrid turbo myself. I think I need to buy an airtec IC first and then decide !

Seeming as there are many experienced folks in this thread - may I ask why a smaller gtb is preferred by many of you over a hybrid, and why is there such a price difference between the two?

Is a gtb a more solid and reliable turbo, does it deliver power smoother?

Thanks in advance

JRJG