Announced today.

 

Just the New Superb makes it on to the list though it does sound a very good car, especially with 4x4 system on it.........

 

3 Audis, 3 Fords, 3 Mazdas,  3 Mercs, 3 Renaults, seem to get their marque noses in front...      

 

Winner will be revealed at the 2016 Geneva Motor Show    A total of 40 vehicles will fight for the 2016 European Car of the Year title.   All the candidates are new vehicles on sale now or before year’s end in five or more European markets. A reduced list will be made known on December 1 and then a short list of seven finalists will be announced on December 14. The winner will be revealed during the 2016 Geneva Motor Show.   Last year the Volkswagen Passat was named European Car of the Year, while in 2014 the Peugeot 308 won the title.        Here is the complete list of 2016 European Car of the Year candidates:

Alfa Romeo Giulia

Audi A4

Audi Q7

Audi R8

BMW X1

BMW 7-Series

Ferrari 488 GTB

Fiat Aegea

Ford S-Max / Galaxy

Ford Edge

Ford Mustang

Honda Jazz

Honda HR-V

Hyundai Tucson

Infiniti Q30

Jaguar XE

Jaguar XF

Kia Optima

Kia Sorento

Land Rover Range Rover Sport

Mazda2

Mazda CX-3

Mazda MX-5

McLaren 570S

Mercedes-Benz GLC / GLC Coupe

Mercedes-Benz GLE / GLE Coupe

Mercedes-AMG GT

Opel Karl

Opel Astra

Renault Talisman

Renault Espace

Renault Kadjar

Ssangyong Tivoli

Subaru Levorg

Subaru Outback

Suzuki Vitara

Škoda Superb

Tesla Model X

Toyota Mirai

Volkswagen Touran

Volvo XC90

Source: COTY

Does anyone take any notice of the winner of the 'European car of the year'

 

Consider these previous winners:

1968 NSU Ro80. 

1977 Rover SDI

2009 Opel Insignia

Does anyone take any notice of the winner of the 'European car of the year'

 

Consider these previous winners:

1968 NSU Ro80. 

1977 Rover SDI

2009 Opel Insignia

 

Was not the NSU a brilliant vankel engine?    Love vankels, rode a couple of bikes with them and always wanted and RX7 or an RX8 and the Le Mans winning car that Rossi just rode at Goodwood sounds almost like nothing else on the planet.

 

Had two SDIs, actually quite fun.  First car with a on-board computer I had, very comfortable,  both the straight six 2.6 was epic and the 3.5 litre V8 even more so but not for people not wanting to spend a bit on gas.

 

Insignia, well,  bold aero shape, segment setting low CO2 though not nice to drive with the small diesel in it, quite heavy and difficult to get that manufacturers MPG.

 

The awards are more for technical innovation rather than other criteria such as value, running costs etc.   

Was not the NSU a brilliant vankel engine?    Love vankels, rode a couple of bikes with them and always wanted and RX7 or an RX8 and the Le Mans winning car that Rossi just rode at Goodwood sounds almost like nothing else on the planet.

Went through engines due to poor quality seals on the tips of the rotors. The company went bust and was swallowed up into the Audi fold 

 

Had two SDIs, actually quite fun.  First car with a on-board computer I had, very comfortable,  both the straight six 2.6 was epic and the 3.5 litre V8 even more so but not for people not wanting to spend a bit on gas.

Rusty and unreliable 

 

Insignia, well,  bold aero shape, segment setting low CO2 though not nice to drive with the small diesel in it, quite heavy and difficult to get that manufacturers MPG.

Faulty gearboxes, brakes, electrics etc. Doing well if you 30 mpg from the 1.8 petrol

 

The awards are more for technical innovation rather than other criteria such as value, running costs etc.   

Was not the NSU a brilliant vankel engine? Love vankels, rode a couple of bikes with them and always wanted and RX7 or an RX8 and the Le Mans winning car that Rossi just rode at Goodwood sounds almost like nothing else on the planet.

Went through engines due to poor quality seals on the tips of the rotors. The company went bust and was swallowed up into the Audi fold

Had two SDIs, actually quite fun. First car with a on-board computer I had, very comfortable, both the straight six 2.6 was epic and the 3.5 litre V8 even more so but not for people not wanting to spend a bit on gas.

Rusty and unreliable

Insignia, well, bold aero shape, segment setting low CO2 though not nice to drive with the small diesel in it, quite heavy and difficult to get that manufacturers MPG.

Faulty gearboxes, brakes, electrics etc. Doing well if you 30 mpg from the 1.8 petrol

The awards are more for technical innovation rather than other criteria such as value, running costs etc.

Exactly, brilliant cars

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Was not the NSU a brilliant vankel engine?    Love vankels, rode a couple of bikes with them and always wanted and RX7 or an RX8 and the Le Mans winning car that Rossi just rode at Goodwood sounds almost like nothing else on the planet.

Went through engines due to poor quality seals on the tips of the rotors. The company went bust and was swallowed up into the Audi fold 

 

Had two SDIs, actually quite fun.  First car with a on-board computer I had, very comfortable,  both the straight six 2.6 was epic and the 3.5 litre V8 even more so but not for people not wanting to spend a bit on gas.

Rusty and unreliable 

 

Insignia, well,  bold aero shape, segment setting low CO2 though not nice to drive with the small diesel in it, quite heavy and difficult to get that manufacturers MPG.

Faulty gearboxes, brakes, electrics etc. Doing well if you 30 mpg from the 1.8 petrol

 

The awards are more for technical innovation rather than other criteria such as value, running costs etc.   

 

 

Yes it certainly damaged NSU reputation not solving the epitrochoid's tip sealing issue but the European Car of the year rewarded their innovation boldness it going for the advantages named below rather than sticking with the century old reciprocating piston design.  Still want to own a vankel on day.  

Prime advantages of the ****el engine are:^[12]

• A far higher power to weight ratio than a piston engine
• It is approximately one third of the weight of a piston engine of equivalent power output
• It is approximately one third of the size of a piston engine of equivalent power output
• No reciprocating parts
• Able to reach higher revolutions per minute than a piston engine
• Operates with almost no vibration
• Not prone to engine-knock
• Cheaper to mass-produce as the engine contains fewer parts
• Superior breathing, filling the combustion charge in 270 degrees of mainshaft rotation rather than 180 degrees in a piston engine
• Supplies torques for about two thirds of the combustion cycle rather than one quarter for a piston engine
• Wider speed range gives greater adaptability
• It can use fuels of wider octane ratings
• Does not suffer from "scale effect" to limit its size
• On some ****el engines the sump oil remains uncontaminated by the combustion process requiring no oil changes. The oil in the mainshaft is totally sealed from the combustion process. The oil for Apex seals and crankcase lubrication is separate. In piston engines the crankcase oil is contaminated by combustion blow-by through the piston rings.

 

Well I loved the SD1 (not I) and so did the Police who stock piled them when they went out of production.  Great for boxing tw*ts in metros who had gone loopy loo.  (Three police car move to contain a punter who will not stop and you cannot use a stinger.)  

 

Well the Insignia, key sector car from world's largest car maker.  Agree disappointed with MPG particularly.  Think it got the award for the aero shape and manufacturers published MPG, still like the advert with the mechanical dolphins.   Not the worse reliability car according to the JD survey..(lots of GM cars !!) Great Ad aimed at company car users...

 https://youtu.be/N82140qOVTM

 

91. Audi Q7 76.1%

92=Vauxhall Astra 76.0%

92=Vauxhall Insignia 76.0%

94=Suzuki Swift 75.9%

94=Volkswagen Touran 75.9%

96=Hyundai i30 75.8%

96=Kia Picanto 75.8%

98=Mazda 6 75.3%

98=Nissan Micra 75.3%

100. Citroën C1 75.2%

101= Renault Clio 75.1%

101= Suzuki Alto 75.1%

103. Peugeot 207 CC 75.0%

104. Peugeot 207 74.8%

105= Peugeot 308 74.6%

105= Vauxhall Corsa 74.6%

107. Kia Rio 74.4%

108= Alfa Romeo Giulietta 74.1%

108= BMW X1 74.1%

108= Citroën C5 74.1%

111. Peugeot 107 73.9%

112. Fiat Panda 73.7%

113. Ford Ka 72.2%

114. Fiat Grande Punto/Punto Evo 72.0%

115. Alfa Romeo MiTo 70.7%

I agree in principle the w@nkel rotary engine has many advantages over the conventional internal combustion engine. From the Ro80 to the Mazda RX7 & RX8 premature engine failure, heavy fuel and oil consumption are common.

I agree in principle the w@nkel rotary engine has many advantages over the conventional internal combustion engine. From the Ro80 to the Mazda RX7 & RX8 premature engine failure, heavy fuel and oil consumption are common

I was always amazed that Mazda got W@nkel engine through the Californian emission regulations as, in effect, the W@nkel engine is akined to a two stroke engine with its usual total loss lubrication which would lead to unacceptable HC levels in the exhaust output. Mazda was confident in their quality of their production and, in some markets, they issued a 80K mile warranty for the car ie 20K more the VAG's poxy, worst in the market, 60K mile warranty.  Fuel consumption, yes heavy normally and ****els really benefit from turbo'ing which the Japs hardly got in to except for racing and one engine the 12A model. Here is what it can do against a VAG box.  (the W@nkel allow beautifully slim bonnet due to compact design.

 

https://youtu.be/ac7YysYPRag

Mazda discontinued the RX8 in 2012 mainly because it wouldn't achieve European emissions.

Mazda discontinued the RX8 in 2012 mainly because it wouldn't achieve European emissions.

 

I think that we are starting to realize that the important emissions are not that bad on the RX8s.   Yes the CO2 is in the 200-300 grams/km range and the NO is better than just about any diesel that is not running SCR/Ad Blu and that is what is killing people not CO2 which is basically plant food (barring the warming element).  

 

The RX8 was killed off by the Western financial crisis which caused the Yen to go from 230 to the GBP to about 120 yen/£ and it then became far too expensive until very recently when the Yen to GBP is now back round the 180 Yen/£ and now we can get Japanese cars, and of course motorbikes,  are becoming viable again.   

The RX8 was killed off the same way as the VW 1.4 TSI / TFSI 132-136kw Twinchargers.

Great Technology, advanced and a Manufacturer that never held up their hands quick enough to be honest to the owners

on Fundamental Design & Manufacturing of component & quality control failings.

Treating many paying customers like Mushrooms and acting like 3 Monkeys for far too long. 

 

Forget Emissions and Fuel Consumption and think more the rate some used up Oil.

 

In the US the Warranty was eventually extended to 100,000 miles, 

but then that is what happens with Manufacturers when Owners start taking Legal Actions or Class Actions.

Edited 5 July, 201510 yr by goneoffSKi

The RX8 was killed off the same way as the VW 1.4 TSI / TFSI 132-136kw Twinchargers.

Great Technology, advanced and a Manufacturer that never held up their hands quick enough to be honest to the owners

on Fundamental Design & Manufacturing of component & quality control failings.

Treating many paying customers like Mushrooms and acting like 3 Monkeys for far too long. 

 

Forget Emissions and Fuel Consumption and think more the rate some used up Oil.

 

In the US the Warranty was eventually extended to 100,000 miles, 

but then that is what happens with Manufacturers when Owners start taking Legal Actions or Class Actions.

 

Having run about a dozen two strokes, including a Kawasaki H1, which used a litre of two stroke oil in a couple hundred miles, would turn the street in to a fog bank if tootling about for a few miles then opening her up, about the same as a bad Twincharge but mine was not too bad, probably about a litre ever 2k miles.  Don't know why I bothered to do oil changes as just about none of the oil from the last oil change would have been in there anyways after all the top-ups.