Son loves his music want to get him a cheap MP3 player as an intro to MP3. If at less than 50 quid he does not use it Im happy to sell it later. Any recomendations on players (looked at Dabs Value players) and sites to legally download music?

The iTunes music store is excellent. Unfortunately, it only works with iPods & the cheapest of these (512MB Shuffle) is

The iTunes music store is excellent. Unfortunately, it only works with iPods & the cheapest of these (512MB Shuffle) is

You'll get a cheap 256Mb MP3 player at Tescos for around

Have a look on novatech, got myself a cheap mp3 player that supports wma's aswell and is a voice recorder.

Think mine was about

I bought 2 of these for my daughters, fairly sturdy as well, as one got trashed when my daughter fell over and cracked the screen, it still worked!!

InnoAX IMX-128 Portable MP3 Player with FM Radio & 512MB Built in Flash Memory

http://www.pcnextday.co.uk/product_detail.asp?stype=5&productcode=1321-1130&group=MP3&pgroup=AUDPR

What about this:-

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1GB-MP3-Player-1-GB-FM-Built-in-Radio-USB2-Silver-UK_W0QQitemZ5829570721QQcategoryZ80020QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Got one of these for my nephew all in for less than

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I use allofmp3.com for downloading music. Music costs about 80% less than in the shops and the smallprint would indicate that it's legal too. ...

Well, it's not illegal anyway, but only because (IIRC) your purchase is deemed to have taken place in Russia where copyright law is not modern enough to encompass electronic copies. None of your money goes to the rights holder or the artist and all of it goes to shady businessmen selling something they have no right to, so I don't see how this is preferable than P2P - it's exactly the same as leeching off a private individual who has no right to share, and paying them 10 cents or whatever it is for the privilege :confused:

Son loves his music want to get him a cheap MP3 player as an intro to MP3. If at less than 50 quid he does not use it Im happy to sell it later. Any recomendations on players (looked at Dabs Value players) and sites to legally download music?

What Hi-Fi recently tested a

For a basic 128mb jobbie, try Asda 128mb for under

Bearing in mind we're talking about an 11 year old you'd better get an iPod of some description. They're overpriced and technically inferior compared with lots of other players on the market, but they're what's cool in the playground at the moment.

Trust me, I had a decent mountain bike aged 13 when the Raleigh Maverick came out, all I got was abuse from retards saying I had a "cheap copy" - totally clueless - don't put your kids through that !

iPod's ....All fur coat and no knickers...

Currys had some 256MB ones for 19.99 on Sunday. The 512MB ones werent much more expensive.

I bought this purley for joggin, am pretty impressed with it for the price

http://www.dixons.co.uk/martprd/store/dix_page.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@1618070424.1132045492@@@@&BV_EngineID=cceeaddgfdfgjjgcflgceggdhhmdgmh.0&page=Product&fm=11&sm=2&tm=undefined&sku=591873&category_oid=-23026

For making an MP3 from a CD [cough] that contains songs your own band have recorded [aherrr'] there are a lot of free software you can download to do the job...try Googling "CDEX",a piece of freeware that will convert CDA to MP3 or WAV and allow you to change the sampling rates etc. with a searchable database that allows you to get the tracklist automatically...for those moments when you just can't remember what the track order was on that fourth album you recorded [cough]

You can do this with windows media player including getting the track info automatically, no need to download any freeware.

You can do this with windows media player including getting the track info automatically, no need to download any freeware.

Yep, but media player is pants, it's made by microsoft so you can guarantee its got built in 'snitchware' to grass you up to the FBI, RIIA or some other 'subsidising body'

Asda have them for

Well, it's not illegal anyway, but only because (IIRC) your purchase is deemed to have taken place in Russia where copyright law is not modern enough to encompass electronic copies. None of your money goes to the rights holder or the artist and all of it goes to shady businessmen selling something they have no right to, so I don't see how this is preferable than P2P - it's exactly the same as leeching off a private individual who has no right to share, and paying them 10 cents or whatever it is for the privilege :confused:

Don't care TBH as you can download albums at any bit rate you like, it's cheap, i'm not breaking the law, there are rarely any tracks missing/cut short or distorted and the volume is normalised too. Happy days.

I think the Russian govt was threatening to take down the site last year due to the problems in Russia over piracy and pressure from the music industry so allofmp3 upted their prices so that they could pay whoever to get the music industry off their back.

The following is from the allofmp3 site but as you say it doesn't mention the rights holders or artists. It's not my fault that the Russia copyright law doesn't cover electronic copies :-

Is it legal to download music from site AllOFMP3.com?

All the materials in the MediaServices projects are available for distribution through Internet according to license # LS-3М-05-03 of the Russian Multimedia and Internet Society. Under the license terms, MediaServices pays license fees for all the materials subject to the Law of the Russian Federation "On Copyright and Related Rights". All the materials are available solely for personal use and must not be used for further distribution, resale or broadcasting.

Surely the country of origin is irrelevant? Although you can quite 'legally' own/buy/download stuff if the country you are buying it in does not respect copyright law...eg. Indonesia etc. without getting locked up, as soon as you bring it into this country ,assuming you are in Britain which abides by copyright law, then you are breaking the law by possessing material that has been copied without the copyright holders permission, regardless of wether you sourced it on the internet, bought a dodgy CD from Joe Soap down the pub or brought a suitcase full of pirated CD's home from your holiday to Bangkok ?

Surely the country of origin is irrelevant? Although you can quite 'legally' own/buy/download stuff if the country you are buying it in does not respect copyright law...eg. Indonesia etc. without getting locked up, as soon as you bring it into this country ,assuming you are in Britain which abides by copyright law, then you are breaking the law by possessing material that has been copied without the copyright holders permission, regardless of wether you sourced it on the internet, bought a dodgy CD from Joe Soap down the pub or brought a suitcase full of pirated CD's home from your holiday to Bangkok ?

Don't really know

Surely it's not illegal to possess a copied CD in the UK, or to bring one across a border, so if you buy it in a country with no IP law then bring it home then at no point have you committed a crime.

Think in the UK and rest of EU circumventing copy protection and copying the music are crimes but these are done by the original ripper and uploader on something conventional like soulseek, so if you just leech then you aren't doing anything technically illegal.

The location of an e-commerce transaction is deemed by convention to occur wherever the vendors servers are located so it doesn't matter where you happen to be, the sale takes place in Russia. Same thing for places like play.com and amazon that sell CDs from Jersey to avoid output VAT but actually despatch them from Milton Keynes