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Tyres "out of shape", anyone know why?

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At the service last year I was told my rear tyres were out of shape, nothing to worry about. Now I am thinking of changing the whole set I want to make sure they won't suffer the same fate if it's a problem with the car.

 

Both have gone on the rear, both are out of shape on the inside edges, both Dunlops that have been on from new.

 

A quick research on tyres going out of shape shows it's possibly a suspension fault, I'm wondering if the inside edges going on both are just a coincidence or if anyone thinks it's a suspension fault, what part of the suspension could cause this failure?

 

I'm looking for a bit of advice before I go to my dealer/Skoda CS and be told there's nothing they can do. Hopefully by raising my concerns before I buy new tyres they might inspect it or at least look into it if the same should happen to the new set

 

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Tyre pressures are checked weekly

That is the Dunlop Sport Maxx for you, fine then gone in no time.

 

How many miles did you get out of them, and what was the pressure you had them at?

Did you ever swap them between the front to rear to get more wear out of the fronts.?

 

I have Pirelli Zero Nero on the rear and they are pretty indestructible.

They have been used for about 20,000 miles now on the rear.

 

I used to like my Dunlops front and back and the backs never had time to go out of shape, 

they got bulges on the sidewalls before that ever happened.

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That is the Dunlop Sport Maxx for you, fine then gone in no time.

 

How many miles did you get out of them, and what was the pressure you had them at?

Did you ever swap them between the front to rear to get more wear out of the fronts.?

Always had them at 36psi rear, don't carry passengers 99% of the time but a spare tyre & holdall in the boot.

 

Never swap tyres around, just let the rears run and run, done 25k miles now and still plenty of tread on them, only notice the noise now our local roads are improving!!

Are you running the Standard factory springs?

 

I just run 2.2 Bar at the rear (32psi), thats is with quite a lots in the boot, 2 spares and stuff bit no rear weights.

Is that all the miles your car has done on the Original & Replacement engine, and now new Squirters.?

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Are you running the Standard factory springs?

 

I just run 2.2 Bar at the rear (32psi), thats is with quite a lots in the boot, 2 spares and stuff bit no rear weights.

Is that all the miles your car has done on the Original & Replacement engine, and now new Squirters.?

Yes, all standard my car, I converted the pressures that are in the fuel cap but will double check them and the conversion

 

Yes, only 25k from new :-)

Probably says 2.5 Bar (36psi) & thats not really mis-shaped your rear tyres.

The Dunlops in 205/40 R 17s are just pretty soft sidewalls even though they are marked XL (extra Load)

 

If you do change all 4 tyres maybe look at getting 215/40 R17's.

 

I have them on the front, but i run 205/40 R 17 on the Rear because the Pirelli are quite big, 

but i would not run them on the front, they are dead skittery. IMO.

I had a set of 4 215/40 R17 Pirelli Zero Nero on for a while but they were still rather punishing on my back back.

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Probably says 2.5 Bar (36psi) & thats not really mis-shaped your rear tyres.

The Dunlops in 205/40 R 17s are just pretty soft sidewalls even though they are marked XL (extra Load)

 

If you do change all 4 tyres maybe look at getting 215/40 R17's.

 

I have them on the front, but i run 205/40 R 17 on the Rear because the Pirelli are quite big, 

but i would not run them on the front, they are dead skittery. IMO.

I had a set of 4 215/40 R17 Pirelli Zero Nero on for a while but they were still rather punishing on my back back.

I didn't think a few psi would be the problem, I'm more concerned it was a suspension fault making them lean on the inside

 

What advantage would the 215 give me over 205 please? I don't "use" the car as intended, just pottering around really, would it just give a bit more positive feel on the road?

More planted, better traction, slightly better protection to the wheels, more protection to bad roads & a better more comfortable ride.

 

Standard Size is 215/40R 17 from 2009-2014 on the Polo GTI, Seat Ibiza Cupra / Seat Ibiza FR 150 PS and Audi A1 185ps.

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More planted, better traction, slightly better protection to the wheels, more protection to bad roads & a better more comfortable ride.

 

Standard Size is 215/40R 17 from 2009-2014 on the Polo GTI, Seat Ibiza Cupra / Seat Ibiza FR 150 PS and Audi A1 185ps.

Okie dokie, I'll hunt around and see what I can get in that size, thanks for the tip :-)

Discount code for my tyres. Your personal 3% discount code is: afVQZApbJC

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Discount code for my tyres. Your personal 3% discount code is: afVQZApbJC

Unfortunately they want £14,75 PER TYRE! added for postage to me :-(

Get the camber checked! (that's what caused the same problem on my Octavia - had a track rod end done, garage did a 4-wheel alignment check and helpfully corrected the camber on the rear wheels, 800 miles later in France had to buy two new tyres and get the camber put back to where it was before).

 

For Tyres, have a look at Asda Tyres and Formula1 autocentres (Online ordering ... charge different prices to off the street customers)

Get the camber checked! (that's what caused the same problem on my Octavia - had a track rod end done, garage did a 4-wheel alignment check and helpfully corrected the camber on the rear wheels, 800 miles later in France had to buy two new tyres and get the camber put back to where it was before).

For Tyres, have a look at Asda Tyres and Formula1 autocentres (Online ordering ... charge different prices to off the street customers)

Just out of interest how did they correct the camber on the rear wheels? The rear suspension in the fabia is very basic and the geometry appears fixed with no adjustment possible.

The adjustments are all magic to me,

 

I just read something on Wikipedia that all these cars are based on the same chassis - so thought it was worth sharing (and did say "same problem on my Octavia")

I think the initial post with the words 'rear tyres out of shape' -  (although well intended) is in fact a little misleading.

Although it is possible to have out of shape tyres - one would normally feel this as the car travelled forward

Wear on both inside edges of the rear tyres denotes a tracking problem. (Yes I know there is no conventional adjustment for the rear wheels!)

 

Can you confirm that the tyres have NOT been changed from front to rear. You may have had a previous situation with - too much 'toe out' at the front which was identified and corrected - and then the fronts swapped with the rear to even out the wear.

Just a thought.

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The OPs car is used for Driving Instruction.

Before it was 6 months old it got a Replacement Engine.

He has a pretty unhelpful car dealership.

 

A Service Desk or Technician might tell you they moved your tyres front to back.

(Directional tyres front to back on the same side of the car, to extend the life,

as many good mechanics or DIY'ers will do.)

 

So they should discuss and tell you what they do, and many never do, and many never even remove the wheels/ tyres 

by the time a car is out of Manufactures Warranty at 3 or even 5 years.

 

Some places you only get what you ask or pay for. 

Minor / Major / Minor / Major service time about, £139, £259 and pay for Extras, Brake Fluid change 

and 5 years has past and the Wheels are still on as fitted at the Factory unless you bought replacement tyres.

Or Brake Pads / Discs.

 

Or you car had 'Pulling to the left' and Skoda bought you new Pirelli Zero Nero for the front.

Rather than actually setting the car up for being Right Hand Drive in the UK.

The adjustments are all magic to me,

I just read something on Wikipedia that all these cars are based on the same chassis - so thought it was worth sharing (and did say "same problem on my Octavia")

Apologies, didn't notice that it was an Octy you were referring to :-)

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I think the initial post with the words 'rear tyres out of shape' -  (although well intended) is in fact a little misleading.

Although it is possible to have out of shape tyres - one would normally feel this as the car travelled forward

Wear on both inside edges of the rear tyres denotes a tracking problem. (Yes I know there is no conventional adjustment for the rear wheels!)

 

Can you confirm that the tyres have NOT been changed from front to rear. You may have had a previous situation with - too much 'toe out' at the front which was identified and corrected - and then the fronts swapped with the rear to even out the wear.

Just a thought.

I can confirm that rear tyres have never been swapped with front tyres or even (as far as I know) been off the car at any point from new, maybe only at service or engine change time for any reason :-)

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