I understand that soon  a fail certificate will be issued and despite having time left on the old ticket it will be illegal to drive on the road except for repair or retest   as they used to say on exam papers --discuss

Official source: https://www.gov.uk/getting-an-mot/after-the-test

 

"You must not drive the vehicle on the road if it fails the test, even if the MOT hasn’t run out, except to:

* have the failed defects fixed

* a pre-arranged MOT test appointment"

 

That implies you can't even take it home. So, what happens if a MOT-only station fails it? Do they expect you to have it trailered home?

 

The next section contradicts, that though: https://www.gov.uk/getting-an-mot/retests

 

"You can take your vehicle away if your MOT certificate is still valid."

Good.

 a Qualified examiner deemed the vehicle not roadworthy and it requires repairs.

Best off the road until actions are taken.  IMHO.

They should not even be allowed to be driven to a place to be repaired for some types of Failures. JIMO.

Good.

 a Qualified examiner deemed the vehicle not roadworthy and it requires repairs.

Best off the road until actions are taken.  IMHO.

 

So it fails an MOT on the rear seatbelt.

That makes it unroadworthy to use, even if you aren't carrying passengers?

No. read the last bit as i posted.

 

Brakes, Steering, Suspension, Chassis / Corrosion failures should need to be trailered.

 

Look at some of the posts with pictures of Disc Brakes on under 2 year old Octavia 3's in that section of Briskoda.

& to think there are MOT's coming at 4 Years for the first time in the near future.

People on the public roads are driving cars like this,

Variable Servicing and Brakes unsafe at 18 Months from new.

No. read the last bit as i posted.

 

Brakes, Steering, Suspension, Chassis / Corrosion failures should need to be trailered.

 

You had edited the post after I replied.

I agree that for some failures such as a bald tyre it shouldn't be driven, but most of those would be illegal anyway under separate legislation.

Illegal.  

But the Testing Station are not going to restrain you. 

 

The rear of a UK MOT Certificate used to have the part in Writing about keeping a Vehicle Roadworthy between tests.

& Your Insurance can be Invalid anyway, depending on what the Fails were,

and the Drivers choice to drive.

It has always been so.

 

The Grey Area of Booked MOTs in the UK and driving to tests has been something the EU wanted clamped down on.

Also no VED, and now ANPR Cameras, Not Insured either.

So the UK continues with the 'Grey Area' of driving to a place for a Repair.

Cornwall to Thurso maybe.

You had edited the post after I replied.

I agree that for some failures such as a bald tyre it shouldn't be driven, but most of those would be illegal anyway under separate legislation.

Indeed, MOT fail/pass does not always equate to road legal.

 

I agree some faults should require the car to be kept off the road, but a blanket ban on just any failure is idiotic.

MOT test only stations are going to lose even more business.

 

Official source: https://www.gov.uk/getting-an-mot/after-the-test

 

"You must not drive the vehicle on the road if it fails the test, even if the MOT hasn’t run out, except to:

* have the failed defects fixed

* a pre-arranged MOT test appointment"

 

That implies you can't even take it home. So, what happens if a MOT-only station fails it? Do they expect you to have it trailered home?

 

The next section contradicts, that though: https://www.gov.uk/getting-an-mot/retests

 

"You can take your vehicle away if your MOT certificate is still valid."

 

 

 

Can't see why you can't take it home, so long as that's where at least some of the repairs are going to occur.

Good.

 a Qualified examiner deemed the vehicle not roadworthy and it requires repairs.

Best off the road until actions are taken.  IMHO.

They should not even be allowed to be driven to a place to be repaired for some types of Failures. JIMO.

not read the in's and out's,    but isn't that the case already    ?

Good.

 a Qualified examiner deemed the vehicle not roadworthy and it requires repairs.

Best off the road until actions are taken.  IMHO.

They should not even be allowed to be driven to a place to be repaired for some types of Failures. JIMO.

 

What happens if you have your car tested at a place that does not do repairs, such as a Council Test Station?

Well there you go, submit a good maintained vehicles for a check.

& if the fail was serious you should be prepared to have it trailered or transported away.

Even a total muppet has an idea that a car is just fixed up and welded by Kerb Side Autos and 

are hoping for a miracle pass by a tester call 'Tommy'. (Deaf dumb and blind boy)

 

But then that is how it has always been really.

 

It is amazing the scrappers people take to testing stations that have no chance of passing, 

because the 'Pre MOT' type checks are less common these days.

 

Actually lots of cars not fit to be on the road are now MOT Exempt.

& VED Exempt.

I bet the not so reputable garages are rubbing their hands with this one. Customer who knows bugger all about cars brings in car for MOT. Customer is told car has failed and needs x amount of pounds worth of repairs and basically has to a pay a ransom to get their car back. Nice.

Yep. When someone is told they aren't allowed to use the car at all, there's far more chance of dodgy garages exploiting this and pressuring them to pay for expensive fixes before they can shop round.

You are allowed to take it home, to a lock up, off road or where ever you work on your vehicle or have work done on it.

No compulsion to go to a Business Premises where people might or might not be employed as professional vehicle repairers.

 

Civil Servants put stuff in front of Ministers and it is published and then does not stand up as UK Traffic Laws and Statues are already in place.

 

If the Government are serious about Safety and Anti-Social Car use and unsafe vehicles.

They can Introduce a Big Sticker that goes on the car, and must stay until the vehicle passes a Re-Test.

Only the Examiner can remove it.

As happens in other World Regions and Countries.

 

Simples really.

Then of course the UK has this ANPR system that knows vehicle registration numbers, and if cars are MOT'd and Taxed, 

and insured.

Or actually, lots of the UK has not, and no Authorities sending out an officer to a registered keeper.

Sometimes the DVLA send out Penalties though.

(To the last Registered Keeper on their system.)

 

"You must not drive the vehicle on the road if it fails the test, even if the MOT hasn’t run out, except to:

* have the failed defects fixed

* a pre-arranged MOT test appointment"

 

Am I reading this differently to you guys?

 

If the car fails you can drive it home, this could be where the car will "have the defects fixed".

 

If the MOT test station doesn't do repairs then you can drive it to somewhere that does or drive it home and have your chosen garage collect it at a time convienient to you.

 

Who's to say you can't drive it home on the day of the test, and then drive it to your chosen garage the next day to "have the defects fixed"?

You are allowed to take it home, to a lock up, off road or where ever you work on your vehicle or have work done on it.

No compulsion to go to a Business Premises where people might or might not be employed as professional vehicle repairers.

 

Civil Servants put stuff in front of Ministers and it is published and then does not stand up as UK Traffic Laws and Statues are already in place.

 

If the Government are serious about Safety and Anti-Social Car use and unsafe vehicles.

They can Introduce a Big Sticker that goes on the car, and must stay until the vehicle passes a Re-Test.

Only the Examiner can remove it.

As happens in other World Regions and Countries.

 

Simples really.

Then of course the UK has this ANPR system that knows vehicle registration numbers, and if cars are MOT'd and Taxed, 

and insured.

Or actually, lots of the UK has not, and no Authorities sending out an officer to a registered keeper.

Sometimes the DVLA send out Penalties though.

(To the last Registered Keeper on their system.)

Then of course the UK has this ANPR system that knows vehicle registration numbers  ( And the latest contract with the Home office , for the National system , has them all linked up across the whole of the UK , so they can now track you at will .)

They might have them in much of the 4 countries that make up the UK.

And the English & Welsh ones, can be matched to Scotlands & Northern Irelands.

But how the Law operates in Scotland and Northern Ireland has a bit of an Issue with the DVLA's IT.

 

As to Anti Terrorism and Crime etc, then again, differences.

But it is easier to track vehicles in Scotland with ANPR.

Were they now run Average Speed Cameras as you cross the Border routes, run up the A77 / M77 & A9 etc.

 

No VED on vehicles is something that the Executive Agency which is the DVLA deals with.

If the system was as joined up as they would like, the Cameras would be at every towns points of Entry, 

and Main Streets, Junctions etc.

Not so yet is it.?

Web Cams at MOT Stations would make a difference, all connected to DVSA (VOSA) DVLA, Home Office etc.

Not happened yet though.

They might have them in much of the 4 countries that make up the UK.

And the English & Welsh ones, can be matched to Scotlands & Northern Irelands.

But how the Law operates in Scotland and Northern Ireland has a bit of an Issue with the DVLA's IT.

 

As to Anti Terrorism and Crime etc, then again, differences.

But it is easier to track vehicles in Scotland with ANPR.

Were they now run Average Speed Cameras as you cross the Border routes, run up the A77 / M77 & A9 etc.

 

No VED on vehicles is something that the Executive Agency which is the DVLA deals with.

If the system was as joined up as they would like, the Cameras would be at every towns points of Entry, 

and Main Streets, Junctions etc.

Not so yet is it.?

Web Cams at MOT Stations would make a difference, all connected to DVSA (VOSA) DVLA, Home Office etc.

Not happened yet though.

No need for DVLA info , if you can actualy track the Number plate , ie the vehicle and where it is . If thats the only aim though

A failure of the nct over here has different levels. A minor fail like bulbs is a free recheck and take cert away. Minor mechanical fail (bushes droplinks etc) is a 28 for full retest drive home and drive around. A seriois/dangerous fail, the test centres have the power to impoumd peending you arranging for a trailer to remove it for works required or scrapping..

Tracking Number plates is all good and well.

But then Number plates can come off a car sitting in any car park or garage forecourt, road side, long stay car parking

and go on with Double Sided tape to another vehicle.

Cloning.

 

Time for the DVLA to issue a Sticker that goes on the Windscreen when a car is First Registered and 

stays there, and gets read by Automated Sticker Registration Recognition.

(New Windscreen Requires new Sticker.)

 

Too Big Brother, well not really, just a system slightly more for this Decade.

But then the Government looked at this, and cameras at Filling Stations, 

and no Windscreen Ticket, no Fuel.

No pay Fines, No Fuel, no have a Job, and no pay taxes, then no Range Rover or BMW with Blacked out Windows.

Nothing has changed, MOT test centres have not been notified of any changes. Garages/ MOT testers do not have any power to prevent a vehicle been driven away from a failed test, I've watched someone drive away after a brake pipe burst on the test.  Testing stations do not issue failure certificates, they issue refusals to renew a certificate so the certificate is not revoked, it is valid until it expires.

 

It's just the usual Government dumbing down the text of the rules so that anyone can understand them, unfortunately they haven't been thorough enough to check for any contradictions.

I understand that soon  a fail certificate will be issued and despite having time left on the old ticket it will be illegal to drive on the road except for repair or retest   as they used to say on exam papers --discuss

 

Just leave it close to the actual expiry date and you will be no worse off.

Not sure why we are worried about vehicle condition, as we know road accidents are all caused by speeding motorists, and a few on their phones or inebriated in one way or another. Gov obviously believes this which is why m.o.t intervals will be relaxed. :sun: