The issuing body has no telephone number that is manned, just a pre-recorded message directing you to the website.

The website has a postall address for 'all communications'

mine only had a postal address but after a bit of digging I found an email address and you can ask to be internally transferred if you call the police non emergency number.

have they provided you with the pictorial evidence via the online evidence system? If so and it's not your car then the other driver is committing a crime and that requires them to take action and give you a crime number.

They were very helpful with my case.

mine only had a postal address but after a bit of digging I found an email address and you can ask to be internally transferred if you call the police non emergency number.

have they provided you with the pictorial evidence via the online evidence system? If so and it's not your car then the other driver is committing a crime and that requires them to take action and give you a crime number.

They were very helpful with my case.

I'm going to email them tomorrow, & return the NIP etc with a covering letter.

With regard pictorial evidence. They say they have this, but no links to any online. As I said the website is archaic with no real use.

I had this last year after just buying my car. I got a nip for an offence at a time and in a place I couldn't possibly have been. I checked the online evidence (which has to be provided) and sure enough it wasn't me, similar car, cloned plate.

I contacted the issuing body, informed the police via non emergency number and received a call from the ANPR control room (who's information about my cars driving and whereabouts were unbelievably scary and accurate). I provided evidence and it was later quashed.

They guy from ANPR control explained that the criminals will have a similar or identical vehicle to the one they choose to clone, they find them online for sale then they wait until it's removed from sale (presumably sold) and been taxed and mot'd (easily checked online these days). They then get plates made online or use a shop that doesn't ask for documents then hey presto they're driving around with non tax, insurance, mot and are free to rack up points and fines on your behalf.

The police told me it was rife around East Lancashire and west Yorkshire, with many cars being damaged to the point where they should be scrapped but are instead "repaired" and subsiquently cloned because they have been considered unroadworthy on their original identity.

 

Easy to stop that one happening if you buy a car likely to be cloned. If the car came with euro plates, put plain ones on and visa versa  

Easy to stop that one happening if you buy a car likely to be cloned. If the car came with euro plates, put plain ones on and visa versa

I have a couple of subtle yet distinctive features that I've added so only I'd know if it was my car.

I have a couple of subtle yet distinctive features that I've added so only I'd know if it was my car.

 

Briskoda stickers? ;)

Briskoda stickers? ;)

5 bhp each those stickers

This is one reason I have been told by a couple of people(not the dealer) to keep the supplying dealer sticker on the rear window.

Sometimes stickers can be good, I'd like to see someone clone mine effectively

Back on point, I'd suggest that you do fill out the form as best you can AND send a covering letter, keep copies of everything, send recorded delivery or at least get a certificate of posting

The more bases you can cover the better

Edited 4 February, 201610 yr by Brimma

IF you are RK, with up to date data on DVLA SITE, then the NIP, must reach you no later than 14 days after , not including the date of the alleged offence. if the vehicle is not registred in your name, then there's little time limit

But ,the NIP is a two pronged thing. If the vehicle is registered to you,and your details on DVLA are correct, I'd head over to Peppipoo for advice. But be careful what you say on open forum, as there's at least one well known "expert witness" who trolls motoring sites looking for folk to give out information , he can use to gain at least brownie points.

I still have a smile at those plonkers that sent NIPs or what ever to BossFox for YET 1,

when the cars being clocked or ANPR'd were Dealership Demonstrators / Display cars.

Covering letter, explanation of where you/car was at time of offence and an image of your car. All that's needed, they should work it out from that. They can always check ANPR (as already mentioned) to confirm your explanation.

Just tell them quietly to **** off. Then take it from there....

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Just tell them quietly to **** off. Then take it from there....

If only it was that simple

IF you are RK, with up to date data on DVLA SITE, then the NIP, must reach you no later than 14 days after , not including the date of the alleged offence. 

This is incorrect

 

The "14 day rule" relates only to the period of time in which the Police/Process Unit must serve the original Notice. The Police do not have to prove that the Notice reached its intended recipient within 14 days, merely that they despatched it, and believe that it arrived.

There may be a defence available if you can convince a Court that the notice did not arrive in time or at all - I struggle to think how you can do that.

Covering letter, explanation of where you/car was at time of offence and an image of your car. All that's needed, they should work it out from that. They can always check ANPR (as already mentioned) to confirm your explanation.

I also sent a covering letter from my manager with a printout of my pin coded electronic clockings for the date and the time of the offence.

I sent a letter, explaining it couldn't be me. I have witnesses & CCTV to prove I was 60 milese away etc. Included a nice piccy of the R

Just received a letter from SY Police, summarised as 'thanks for your letter, we'll get back to you ASAP'.

Would have thought a quick check of their 'video evidence' could have moved this a bit quicker :(

So, over a month since South yorkshire Police sent me a letter to say they would investigate, and.........nothing!!!

So much for their insistence on you must reply within 28 days or else ,

Ive provided all the evidence and my personal mobile number and email address, but no furthet communication.

What makes me angry is that the only way I can get in touch with them is by letter, as the telephone number provided is just a recording to use the website, which only gives their address. It would be so simple, and courteous for them to just write a short letter (or email / call) to say 'sorry' it was an error on our behalf. Grrrrrrrr!!!!

Edited 21 March, 201610 yr by 999pooch

I would check with the local court. You may still have been prosecuted with you not being there, due to the time passed. A similar thing happened to an old work mate.

as luck would have it - mine had a sticker on the bottom of the windscreen which helped identify my car and set it apart from the clone.

I was also asked to stick a 1cm black sticker on the number plates to confirm mine was the non cloned vehicle when ever it pinged up on the ANPR cameras.

And what if the cloners put black squares on theirs?

 

This is one reason I have been told by a couple of people(not the dealer) to keep the supplying dealer sticker on the rear window.

Good way of getting you to carry on advertising for them

I would check with the local court. You may still have been prosecuted with you not being there, due to the time passed. A similar thing happened to an old work mate.

Maybe, but they have all my details & have acknowledged my original letter of denial.

The wording of their second letter acknowledging my complaint, basically says (paraphrasing) We will investigate and will write to you again if the results warrant it.

So, it kind of reads, if we think you are guilty we'll write to you. If it's our mistake, we will just leave you in limbo.

Nice :(

Playing devil's advocate, it's not their mistake

They have sent a notice to the registered keeper of a vehicle showing your registration number

Having said that, they should have moved it on quicker than they have done

Edited 21 March, 201610 yr by Brimma

And what if the cloners put black squares on theirs?

 

Use a Briskoda sticker instead? ;)

im not following...

 

whats stopping you from sticking a sticker on afterwards? 

 

Get yourself a Swiss motorway vignette.

They're done by year.

 

I've got an old one stuck in my front windscreen dated for an earlier year... though I can't imagine who would want to clone an old octavia!

 

Edit: Oh yes.. Dad was also fined for his Sharan, but he wasn't even in the country at the time. Turns out from photographic evidence it was another sharan, not his. Can't remember how that one got dropped.

Edited 22 March, 201610 yr by bspman

Get yourself a Swiss motorway vignette.

They're done by year.

 

I've got an old one stuck in my front windscreen dated for an earlier year... though I can't imagine who would want to clone an old octavia!

 

....anyone who doesn't want to pay a speeding fine or parking ticket. ;)

So finally, got a resolution to this at last!!

Approximately 3 months after the original alleged offence and 2 months since any correspondence, I received a letter from my lease company.

Basically informing me that a request had been made from the Police requesting any reports or problems of my car being cloned, and that a speeding offence had been committed.

I must admit, having no easy way to check how the case had progressed other than by letter, and with such a long period since any communication from the Police I thought this had already been dismissed.

Crucially this time though, on the letter from the Police was a direct phone number of the officer dealing with it

A quick call revealed that the car involved was indeed identical to mine, a blue Golf with silver wing mirrors. However I explained I had CCTV of me at work at the time of the offence, and the car was always in my possession.

It soon became apparent that the offence was not going to be pursued, in fact the officer said there was very little they could do based on the facts.

A good result for me, albeit the only fair one, but always a nagging doubt they may have pursued it further and I could well do without the hassle.

There conclusion was that there is probably another identical car with my reg plate on. They don't think it is maliciously cloned, but probably duplicated by mistake. Whilst this sounds unlikely, they reckon they see this regularly, especially with large lease companies or fleets. It may even have the correct one on the front and mine on the back!

Anyway received a letter this morning from the Police to say they are following up the matter with my lease company, but will not pursue the offence any further with me

Edited 16 April, 201610 yr by 999pooch