Hi would changing grade of oil do any harm to engine. Got 1.6 tdi 2013 Octavia, SE, and using longlife lll

5W-30 Quantum from vw, but just wondering if 0-40 or 5w-40 would do any harm at all

Cheers

I'll stand to be corrected, but I think I have seen other oils that are acceptable, they just have to meet the 507.00 standards

As above you must us VW 507.00 spec oil for the 1.6 CR engine whether on fixed or variable service regime. 

so as long as i use 507.00 spec 0-40 or 5w-40 oil wouldnt do any harm ?

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Any reason for changing other than getting lower priced oil.

 

You can get good value 5w 30 Full Synthetic Long Life to VW507 00 for much the same price as other oils to VW507 00

No need for it to be Castrol or Quantum.

507.00 will be 5W-30.

It will, 

& so will 5W 40 that is to the spec VW 504 / 507   & you can buy that.

Strictly speaking you shouldn't mix oil grades, as they are different viscosity and will not mix. If it's 5w30 in there, that's what you should top up with.

What does it say in the manual/handbook or on the sill of the bonnet?

& if you are doing an Oil & Filter change you can change Oil Spec.

 

If you buy a car and have no idea what is in, and an Invoice in the folder is no guarantee then you are taking pot luck it has 5 w 30 in.

So as well to use that to top up if required until you change the Oil.

Its used as a taxi and want higher protection than 5W-30 as that what book states , so looking at 0-40 or 5w-40, deffo would do oil and filter change when changing grade of oil

The viscosity of the oil does not mean the lubrication / protection is any better.

What OIL do TDI vRS get sold new with??

 

I bought some Castrol Edge 5W-30 for mine, now wondering whether I should use it???

 

When I have had my previous cars I would normally change the oil and filter so I know what's in there before I start adding.

What OIL do TDI vRS get sold new with??

 

I bought some Castrol Edge 5W-30 for mine, now wondering whether I should use it???

 

When I have had my previous cars I would normally change the oil and filter so I know what's in there before I start adding.

My 1.6 CR came with a Castrol edge sticker on the slam panel.

My 1.6 CR came with a Castrol edge sticker on the slam panel.

 

In my car handbook wallet I have a Castrol Edge sticker too.

Only use 5w30, seriously. The VAG have spent millions climate testing oils, for the best combination of wear and fuel economy. If you use a higher grade oil, i.e the summer number, the kinimatic viscosity will be higher. This is good in hot climates but not good in Northern Europe as unless the oil is very hot there will be more losses, also depending on the tolrence of the engine is would imagine it's not providing optimal lubrication. It's a very complex subject hence I always put the manufactures recommended oil in. It's better to change oil frequently than long life service plans. The only reason there is such a thing is to tempt fleet buyers into purchasing a particular model as the maintainence costs are less, and the vehicle is is not going to fail in 3 years.

Anything 5w30 fully synthetic that meets VAG long life (507.00 I think) criteria will be fine.

Castrol Edge is the OEM recommended oil but Quantum (a VAG UK own brand that is main dealer/TPS carried) and Mobil 1 make the right oil and is perfectly fine.

re post #16,

The Volkswagen Group have a seriously high engine failure rate for all that testing of Oils.

In fact Oil seems to be one of their major failings,  high oil consumption and engine component failures through fundamental design, manufacturing and quality control issues.

 

So you take VWG recommendations with a pinch of salt, and use the best oil to the spec for your engine that you want to buy, 

and maybe do not bother with it being Castrol / Quantum, as no doubt the VWG Board of Directors get their payments on earth as they will in Heaven.

 

Follow Service Schedules and Maintenance / Guidelines, and be sure to buy decent Oil filters, 

as to Modern Full Synthetic Oils, they do much better than many believe, 

and some Oil Changes are not yet due before a New wonderful Volkswagen Group Engine Expires, or the DPF is Blocked, EGR gubbed etc.

Do you know more than vw? More to the point do you actually know if another oil would be more detrimental than the ones vw recommend?

You buy the oil to the recommended spec for the car. Deviate at your peril. If vw spend 100 million on development of engine longevity how are you expected to better it with 30 quid from picking a different grade? From halfords.

Do you have any hard evedence to say vw have seriously high failures due to oil, and only oil. Don't you think if they did they would do something about it? You can't blame the oil for engine tolrence quality issues or inherent design failings.

If you use the recommended spec and change frequently you can't go wrong.

re post #16,

The Volkswagen Group have a seriously high engine failure rate for all that testing of Oils.

In fact Oil seems to be one of their major failings,  high oil consumption and engine component failures through fundamental design, manufacturing and quality control issues.

 

So you take VWG recommendations with a pinch of salt, and use the best oil to the spec for your engine that you want to buy, 

and maybe do not bother with it being Castrol / Quantum, as no doubt the VWG Board of Directors get their payments on earth as they will in Heaven.

 

Follow Service Schedules and Maintenance / Guidelines, and be sure to buy decent Oil filters, 

as to Modern Full Synthetic Oils, they do much better than many believe, 

and some Oil Changes are not yet due before a New wonderful Volkswagen Group Engine Expires, or the DPF is Blocked, EGR gubbed etc.

Alpha2010,

I know that many 1.4 TSI / TFSI 132-136kW Twincharger Owners have gone to using 5w 40 Full Synthetic Oil to preserve their engines as more and more that run 5W 30 Full Synthetic Long Life lll failed, and replacement engines failed.

(the 5W 40 coped / copes still better with the Temperatures some were getting the oil to.)

 

Also those just using the cars totally normally as family transport, commuting etc,   they take over 5 miles to get the Oil to an indicated 50*oC, and maybe as much as 20 miles to reach an efficient operating temperature if they ever get to the 88-92*oC Range in some ambient temperatures.)

 

*So regular Fixed Oil & Filter Changes not Variable Changes, 5W 40 to VW502 00 rather than VW504 00 Long Life,

but also change the spark plugs or at least check at under half the VW Service Scheduled change mileage, 

and since you can not get the 98 Super Recommended petrol in the UK use Tesco Momentum 99 or Shell V-Power Nitro+, or at least 97ron Super Unleaded to reduce cold start and misfiring issues, and Bore Wash.*

 

Many do not use the Skoda / VW Recommended Spark plugs (As are OEM, NGK) with the 40,000 miles service schedule, because  1 plug is burning up early, 

and VW / Skoda are now Recommending a different Spark plug and Gap, but still the 40,000 mile Service Schedule.

Still the revised plug looses a tip in under 25,000 miles in many cases.

 

VW took 2 years of failures to engines and Cylinder 3 before revising the engine, then still with failures another 18 months before replacing 

'Oil Spray Jets' (Squirters)

2009-2012, then 2012-2014,

Lots of Engine Rebuilds, then short blocks, Breather Valve / Pipe Mods, Software Updates, Internal Component Changes,  change from the CAVE to the CTHE Engine (late 2012) etc.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/294051-cave-cthe-14tsi-just-reply-please-if-you-have-had-an-engine-replaced

*Post #412 is at least showing finally it is possible to get a quick resolution to an issue that VW have been sweeping under the carpet since 2009.*

 

So yes some of us know what VW / Skoda know, they just never publicly admit what they know.

Maybe now the 'More Honest' VW Group and Skoda UK with a new Career VW Employee as Brand Director can be more open on their Lemons and being slow to react with cars have snagging faults that should be addressed, often easily.

http://revotechnik.com/support/technical/14tsi-twincharger-engine-issues

 

 

..........................................................

ANOTHER MATTER.   Just how good VW are or not on fluids / Oil.

VW,Skoda,Seat,Audi R&D, world wide testing, cold & hot weather, Humidity etc.

DQ200 Twin Dry Clutch 7 Speed DSG's,   & Oil.

 

It took the VW Group Long enough to Admit there was an issue with the Synthetic Oil Filled at the Factory, 

and internal corrosion, 

then a World Wide Recall, excluding some World Regions like the Home Market EU /UK that get a Service Campaign.

Changing Synthetic Oil to Mineral and doing a Software Update.

(Still not accepting that boxes that had Synthetic are having issues, and are now out of warranty, so they speak of 'Gestures', when actually, Fluid Used was a Fundamental Design & Manufacturing Issue, and they knew it for 4 years.)

http://skoda.co.nz/news/dsg-service-campaign

Edited 28 March, 201610 yr by GoneOffSKi

We use Millers CFS 5w40 Nanodrive in nearly every car that comes through the workshop.  The oil doesn't burn off like the LL 5w30, see far less engine wear, better fuel economy and generally a slight performance gain.

 

As soon as my vRS TSi turns up it will be getting a fast run in, then switched to the Millers.  My current vRS runs the Millers 10w50 Nano at 400 bhp.

 

Yes VAG spec that you have to use the 5w30 long life, but that doesn't mean there aren't better oils available for the engines.

Edited 28 March, 201610 yr by IbizaAlex

Going back to the OP and his 1.6 derv.  Millers do a 507 spec Nanodrive.  Well worth giving it a go even though its at a higher price point than other oils.

 

http://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-88210-millers-oils-nanodrive-ee-longlife-5w-30-full-synthetic-engine-oil.aspx

We use Millers CFS 5w40 Nanodrive in nearly every car that comes through the workshop.  The oil doesn't burn off like the LL 5w30, see far less engine wear, better fuel economy and generally a slight performance gain.

As a matter of interest what measurements and comparisons do you use for engine wear, economy and performance when using this oil? 

Alpha2010,

I know that many 1.4 TSI / TFSI 132-136kW Twincharger Owners have gone to using 5w 40 Full Synthetic Oil to preserve their engines as more and more that run 5W 30 Full Synthetic Long Life lll failed, and replacement engines failed.

(the 5W 40 coped / copes still better with the Temperatures some were getting the oil to.)

 

Also those just using the cars totally normally as family transport, commuting etc,   they take over 5 miles to get the Oil to an indicated 50*oC, and maybe as much as 20 miles to reach an efficient operating temperature if they ever get to the 88-92*oC Range in some ambient temperatures.)

 

*So regular Fixed Oil & Filter Changes not Variable Changes, 5W 40 to VW502 00 rather than VW504 00 Long Life,

but also change the spark plugs or at least check at under half the VW Service Scheduled change mileage, 

and since you can not get the 98 Super Recommended petrol in the UK use Tesco Momentum 99 or Shell V-Power Nitro+, or at least 97ron Super Unleaded to reduce cold start and misfiring issues, and Bore Wash.*

 

Many do not use the Skoda / VW Recommended Spark plugs (As are OEM, NGK) with the 40,000 miles service schedule, because  1 plug is burning up early, 

and VW / Skoda are now Recommending a different Spark plug and Gap, but still the 40,000 mile Service Schedule.

Still the revised plug looses a tip in under 25,000 miles in many cases.

 

VW took 2 years of failures to engines and Cylinder 3 before revising the engine, then still with failures another 18 months before replacing 

'Oil Spray Jets' (Squirters)

2009-2012, then 2012-2014,

Lots of Engine Rebuilds, then short blocks, Breather Valve / Pipe Mods, Software Updates, Internal Component Changes,  change from the CAVE to the CTHE Engine (late 2012) etc.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/294051-cave-cthe-14tsi-just-reply-please-if-you-have-had-an-engine-replaced

*Post #412 is at least showing finally it is possible to get a quick resolution to an issue that VW have been sweeping under the carpet since 2009.*

 

So yes some of us know what VW / Skoda know, they just never publicly admit what they know.

Maybe now the 'More Honest' VW Group and Skoda UK with a new Career VW Employee as Brand Director can be more open on their Lemons and being slow to react with cars have snagging faults that should be addressed, often easily.

http://revotechnik.com/support/technical/14tsi-twincharger-engine-issues

 

 

..........................................................

ANOTHER MATTER.   Just how good VW are or not on fluids / Oil.

VW,Skoda,Seat,Audi R&D, world wide testing, cold & hot weather, Humidity etc.

DQ200 Twin Dry Clutch 7 Speed DSG's,   & Oil.

 

It took the VW Group Long enough to Admit there was an issue with the Synthetic Oil Filled at the Factory, 

and internal corrosion, 

then a World Wide Recall, excluding some World Regions like the Home Market EU /UK that get a Service Campaign.

Changing Synthetic Oil to Mineral and doing a Software Update.

(Still not accepting that boxes that had Synthetic are having issues, and are now out of warranty, so they speak of 'Gestures', when actually, Fluid Used was a Fundamental Design & Manufacturing Issue, and they knew it for 4 years.)

http://skoda.co.nz/news/dsg-service-campaign

I agree with some of what you say, but when some one asks advice I try and give them safe advice that won't backfire at a dealer or warranty issue, basically. I my self have tried every sort of oil going in the past and some have had detrimental effects. So I try and give the best or safest advice I can. I don't want to post somthing I would not use myself.

Only use 5W 30 as you say in post #16 is not what many Fully Trained and qualified VW Technicians do though.

Actually VW should be a lot clearer on Long Life Oil and those doing Low Miiles, fixed servicing, regular services for Oil & Filter changes.

 

Make the DPF / EGR issues much clearer so that owners are in no doubt over the Oil they recommend.

 

& as for spending 100 millions on developing engine longevity.

They will be paying 1000's of millions on fines & then more on 'the fix'  Buy backs in the USA likely, for cheating on EU Testing and selling 11 Million cars they knew had Defeat Devices.

Then they have enough ongoing recalls on components running their questionable software.

Average 600 Euro Profit on each car built sold, 

the Oil they buy in and fill in the engines at the factory is the VW Accountants choice.

 

The £13.50 or so per litre for VW recommended Oil charged at Main Dealers is a pith take.

People lead to believe they will void a Manufacturers warranty by not putting in Long Life Oil, 

yet changing OIl @ less than 10,000 mile intervals.

Its all good money on servicing and sometimes just lots of profits on fluids that are overpriced & over hyped.

Edited 28 March, 201610 yr by GoneOffSKi