Read in the drivers hand book that,if there are problems with KESSY/Remote, you can open the driver's door with a key.This lock has to be uncovered by detaching a piece of material from the driver's door handle with the key.I tried this out of interest but it seemed to require considerable force which I was not prepared to exert in case I broke something.Has anyone successfully completed this operation?

Erm - I'm confused - why would you remove anything from the handle, the lock is already exposed and accessible in the drivers door handle on the Rapid?

Surely you saw it? Or does the my16 model have a different handle?

Edited 2 April, 201610 yr by chrisgreen

I believe KESSY equipped cars have a plastic cap over the key hole. This is the case on my 2014 Yeti (with KESSY). The cover is difficult to remove, but does come away with a little force.

Dammit, I'm going to have to go outside and inspect the Mustang for manual key holes.

I'm in the habit of remote unlocking and remote starting, so I get to hear that V8 from outside every time

I remember the episode of Top Gear when they were on a US road trip and Hammond had a new Dodge sports car with Keyless entry. While they were all in a diner having breakfast, May and Clarkson got in Hammond's car while he was in the diner eating, keyless started and drove it round the corner, leaving it in the middle of the road. Could just have easily have been round the corner, onto a low loader and off to a chop shop.

True story!

Chris - not a fan of Kessy

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I remember the episode of Top Gear when they were on a US road trip and Hammond had a new Dodge sports car with Keyless entry. While they were all in a diner having breakfast, May and Clarkson got in Hammond's car while he was in the diner eating, keyless started and drove it round the corner, leaving it in the middle of the road. Could just have easily have been round the corner, onto a low loader and off to a chop shop.

True story!

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Take your point Chris but who would want to steal a Toledo!!!!!!

Hmmm. Mustang has no mechanical key in the fob. Lucky I've got two!

I remember the episode of Top Gear when they were on a US road trip and Hammond had a new Dodge sports car with Keyless entry. While they were all in a diner having breakfast, May and Clarkson got in Hammond's car while he was in the diner eating, keyless started and drove it round the corner, leaving it in the middle of the road. Could just have easily have been round the corner, onto a low loader and off to a chop shop.

True story!

Chris - not a fan of Kessy

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this is why I will not own a car with kessy, not secure in my mind ,

 

as I have said before kessy = single device to access open, and start car

 

old skool key / remote = remote to unlock, key in lock to turn engine over and immobiliser chip in key in key that has to be ignition for car to start

 

in my I.T. security talk, kessy = single factor authenitication, old skool key = 3 factor authentication

 

no contest, no kessy simples

Edited 3 April, 201610 yr by bluecar1

It would be three factor authentication if they were separate devices. Since they are integrated into one device (the key) it's the same. Losing your keys is the same as losing your card.

It would be three factor authentication if they were separate devices. Since they are integrated into one device (the key) it's the same. Losing your keys is the same as losing your card.

I would disagree to a certain extent

 

yes it is one device, but with 3 authentication mechanisms built in

 

1:- the remote locking code transmitted over radio (433mhz likely), you need the right code and it should rotate / change so can't easily be subject to replay attack

 

2:- physical key, you need the right key for the lock to turn the ignition barrel

 

3:- immobiliser chip, RFID chip that needs to match a stored code in the ECU / Dash

 

kessy is subject to various attacks depending on the manufacturer, as seen in the press,

 

this is why most cars with normal taken are usually after keys stolen in a break in, but a number of high end kessy cars (bmw's, range rovers etc) have been taken without the key / token being stolen,

 

fortunately skodas are not high on the list of cars as not high enough value

^ - what he said!

Spot on bluecar1.

Just to be clear, I don't like KESSY either, I believe it is an unnecessary cost and offers little convenience. It's just another selling point to make fuss about.

 

This does not mean that it is less secure than the traditional key. In fact, the only difference is the lack of the actual key. Neither qualifies as a two (or three) factor authentication system as everything is built in the key fob. In contrast, the ATM card IS a two factor authentication system as you need to possess and know something in order to gain access. Now if you write down the PIN onto the card, it is no longer a two factor authentication. To this end, if someone steals your key, they steal your car weather KESSY or not.

 

Now, in a traditional car, without the key, bluecar1 is right. The thief has to 1) get into the car (break a window is sufficient), 2) break the steering wheel protection (or turn the ignition barrel) and 3) defeat the immobilizer system (various attacks possible).

 

However, all three have to be also performed to a KESSY car as all these systems are also present. So what's the big difference that I'm missing here?

Edited 4 April, 201610 yr by eyegr

I think that there is little difference security wise between KESSY and the conventional Remote/Key system.The reason I like Kessy is that you don't have to keep fiddling for keys to lock/unlock/start.One feature I particularly like is the ability to open the hatch stuff your shopping in the boot close the hatch and know that it is locked.The only people who can unlock that boot are the people with the two KESSY key fobs.

The range on my kessy key isn't great, if I'm stood at drivers door the wife can't open the passenger door. The issue with the top gear scenario is the range is massive that's how clarkson got in and drove off. I don't see it being any less secure than a normal key, but a lot more convenient.

The range on my kessy key isn't great, if I'm stood at drivers door the wife can't open the passenger door. The issue with the top gear scenario is the range is massive that's how clarkson got in and drove off. I don't see it being any less secure than a normal key, but a lot more convenient.

Is that a lock setup thing in the ECU? I have keyless locking and starting and had the same issue till I went into the menus and found the Drivers only / All doors option.

Is that a lock setup thing in the ECU? I have keyless locking and starting and had the same issue till I went into the menus and found the Drivers only / All doors option.

No I have it set to unlock all doors, I got fed up of walking to the car opening the door then either getting key out to open passenger door or get in and press button.

Changed setup to open all doors, the range isn't good enough for someone to open passenger door without the key being very close, even stood at drivers door won't do it.

"Simply Clever"

Well done Skoda. A costly optional "convenience" feature that isn't.

Edited 5 April, 201610 yr by camelspyyder