You mean the current Renault style? Yes, it is bad. Not as bad as the Mercedes' one, but bad enough.

I don't know in UK, but in France for instance, the engine power is part of the identity of the car. It is defined in the registration certificate together with the serial number, the weight, and the used combusitible among other things.

If anything is to be changed compared to this certificate, like in case of an engine reprog, a new registration is required. Which is nearly impossible to get for an individual.

Power is also always defined in the purchase order.

The disc size are not, however.

 

Power has often been used in the model description and probably soon after the cars invention but historically that power reference has frequently either been nominal or fantasy and certainly not considered a binding contract (at least by the manufacturers it seems).

Pretty sure Australian registration does not require power output (certainly number of cylinders, capacity, induction, fuel etc) so it may vary between countries.

 

With 'dieselgate' there seemed more people upset over a possible small reduction in performance/economy figures associated with any fix, than the issues of pollution.

I'm just saying that different people have different expectations of their vehicles and what some might consider unimportant will upset others.

Probably due to having spent real cash money buying a vehicle of the sort and power they wanted and that they were lead to believe from Government Approved testing were of the Euro 5 or now 6 emissions standards.

 

Then it turned out to become the Number one largest manufacturer in the world lying cheating barstewards had been at it.

 

Then it turned not only with Defeat Devices, but with Euro 6 Emiision vehicles, C02 Irregularities.

ie They cheated more Tests.

The Co2 / VED Band, weights etc.

 

So no surprise now that cars built by the VW Group manufacturers are on a diet.

VW Admitted the Irregularities in VW's, Audi,s, Seats, 

& just are 'correcting' some 'oversights' with Skoda, while doing some penny pinching at the same time.

 

VORSPRUNG DURCH TECHNIK.

Advancement through knowledge when caught just play the 3 monkeys.

I don't know in UK, but in France for instance, the engine power is part of the identity of the car. It is defined in the registration certificate together with the serial number, the weight, and the used combusitible among other things.

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Power is also always defined in the purchase order.

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The disc size are not, however.

 

Yes.

No it isn't, not in the UK.

Exactly as I've been saying.

 

 

You are sold a car on the power output, ...

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and pay the Tax & Duty and VED on that and it is all set out in official figures and EU testing and given for comparisons.

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If the size of the front disc brakes was in the brochure for the current model year, on the often wrong configurator and on a specification sheet / order sheet then...

 

...you are half way to having some comeback on Skoda CZ Skoda UK or the supplying dealership...

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if the subject was discussed and assurances given on the size of disc brakes.

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That'd get the lawyers arguing. Possibly the case, but I've never seen it in any contract I've signed. Depends how you define "sold". And that has to be in a signed contract under these circumstances.

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Tax & Duty? Not in the UK, I believe.

VED? In the UK that's charged on emissions, not power output. Interesting point about "official figures and EU testing" certainly with relevance to unannounced changes in power output. But not relevant to the brakes issue. Which is what this is all about.

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No it wasn't/isn't - no-one's yet shown otherwise...

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so you're not.

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and no-one's yet said it was.

 

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To sum up: This is an issue over brake disc size. Not trim, engine power, anything else.

 

The complaint - WHICH I AGREE WITH - is that potential buyers might have believed that they would be buying a car with big brake discs. The belief might not have been a conscious belief. The car supplied came with smaller discs.

 

The problem - No-one has said they were buying the car specifically because of the size of the brakes, or had it laid out in the purchase contract, and nowhere in any material aimed at attracting buyers, nor in any contract offered for signature, has it said what size brake discs would be fitted. So the seller is entitled to make certain changes to whatever is eventually the subject of the contract.

 

The decision to be reached by Skoda and any aggrieved customer is whether this is a material change (that is, enough of a change to substantially alter the nature of the car from what the customer was expecting, and the size reduction might or might not be a material issue).

 

(Just as an aside, if a buyer pointed to a specific car in the showroom and said "I will buy that one" (which sums up a used car purchase) and if between that agreement and when the buyer takes delivery, the garage changed the brake discs for a smaller size, then the seller is in breach of contract. Because the car AS SEEN IS THE SPECIFICATION.)

 

I'm not offering an opinion on whether Skoda is right or the customer is. That's a job for a barrack room lawyer (rolls eyes emoticon needed here!) or a real one, and that's not me.

But as I've also said before, this is very poor customer relations from Skoda and I hope they do something to repair the damage they've done by this and make the customer happy.

 

I stress I've no involvement with Skoda other than as a customer, and I wish AirborneVRS all the best with this.

I should have said at uk road legal speed they were fine, but on a German autobahn at 130mph, and somebody pulls out in front of you then, I felt they were not up to the job as happened to me. In my opinion, if car can do these speeds then the brakes should be up to the job! I feel that now on my mk3 the brakes would cope much better in the same situation.

Fair enough if it's at autobahn speed levels. If somebody causes you to brake severely and you not have been able to foresee the incident then 312mm or 340mm brakes might just might be the difference of stopping, bumping into or slamming into something. I passed my driving test in Berlin and regularly used the Autobahnen. From my understanding, Die Polizei will still prosecute for not leaving a gap. Enjoy Deutschland.

Blimey.

I remember the sales brochure when I was deciding whether to buy skoda (octavia) or elsewhere. Many of the sales pictures within the brochure displayed a non UK model. Once I fully understood this I realised that the actual car I would receive may slightly differ from that show especially the steering wheel position!

Maybe my standards are low? Because as long as the colour was right and the extras were fitted and it was in brand new condition I was happy.

But, my standards are not low and I discovered the paint work was a 'pile o ****e' so within the first 4 months of ownership I had them pull the car to bits quite literally and they resprayed all the offending areas. New car, front and rear bumpers off, bonnet off, tailgate off and front doors off to sort the paint.

This was a very difficult situation and the brand has lost yet another customer but I had to totally forget what was going on and concentrate back on 'my' life and not waste my time day after day on what is after all a replaceable cheap car.

I have other hobbies and interests that can have my time. Frequent phone calls to dealers and SUK are most definitely not hobbies I pursue.

I think if people are upset about their 'size' just go to trading standards if they feel so strongly.

Edited 1 May, 201610 yr by octavianestate

Yes tax and duty, the more you spend the more VAT you pay. So tax and duty because the car is more expensive.

(you pay Tax & Duty on every extra litre of fuel that their false / snide / manufactured low emission results which lead many to believe would not be needed, wasted on regenerations, and people think the low VED annually was worth the saving.)

Cheating the Treasury out of Taxes which the VWG now have to recompense. 

(they cheated buyers / drivers as well, but then many benefited with their Business Use.)

That is all before you even get to Lease or HP costs on a higher priced vehicle. Known as on the never never.

Edited 1 May, 201610 yr by GoneOffSKi

I'd like to mention that it was not me who started this thread. Possibly the guy who has voiced his opinion more and maybe standing up for correct and proper service.

It's more of a moral and principle thing than cost. I (and others) would like the car as shown/descibed/explained to me.

I understand that the photos in the brochure are "touched up/adjusted" so take these with a pinch of salt.

But when told it will be like a 2015 car (which I've seen) and it's not, then something is wrong. Add to that the fact that I've purchased a vehicle based on the original spec with 340mm brakes (which cost more) to then be given a product which costs less doesn't sit right with me (as I've paid for the 340mm brakes but not received them).

We shall see if Skoda would like to rectify this issue and help please a customer. I take on board all comments but is it not worth a try?

I just wish I had time to worry about 28mm

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I meant it not directly just more of a general opinion of my views on how the brand operates.

If I had joined this forum 'before' I had made the purchase I would have not chosen this brand. Not to say any other is distinctly better but this brand appears to be a masters in creating problems for themselves.

Yes tax and duty, the more you spend the more VAT you pay. So tax and duty because the car is more expensive.

(you pay Tax & Duty on every extra litre of fuel that their false / snide / manufactured low emission results which lead many to believe would not be needed, wasted on regenerations, and people think the low VED annually was worth the saving.)

Cheating the Treasury out of Taxes which the VWG now have to recompense. 

(they cheated buyers / drivers as well, but then many benefited with their Business Use.)

That is all before you even get to Lease or HP costs on a higher priced vehicle. Known as on the never never.

Not relevant in this particular situation.

. Not to say any other is distinctly better but this brand appears to be a masters in creating problems for themselves.

 Most certainly true!

FlyingGeko,

nothing is relevant in the present situation, 

other than the Mushroom Affect,  Keep them in the dark and shovel them with shi!te,

The brake size was mentioned in the 2014 model brochure. It says the vrs comes with 17" brakes

The brake size was mentioned in the 2014 model brochure. It says the vrs comes with 17" brakes

432mm discs? Really? What page of the brochure? Which edition in 2014?

its the march 2014 brochure page 24 under safety & security it says 17" front disc brakes. i think they are including the caliper too when measured

That's interesting.

 

I don't have March 2014, but July 14, August 14, January 15, May 15, February 16, none of those show brake size on page 24. In all those, p. 24 is about the L&K. The brochure layout changed for April 16.

 

Even the big discs are only about 13-14 inches across including calipers. Can't check precisely without taking a wheel off, but blow that! 17 inches is huge - wouldn't fit inside an 18 inch wheel. Must be a mistake, so they removed it.

 

Can you put up a picture of the page?

Has anybody who's complained had an update yet?

I've had a couple of phone calls now but no real answers yet, been told they'll be back in touch monday hopefully with a full response, basically it's been a "factory decision" and as we all thought they are well within their rights to change specs, intersting thing is it would appear they have seriously underestimated the backlash and the fact the type of person buying a VRS (enthusiast was the word they used) will notice such a change and have taken it into consideration when making the purchase.

Edited 6 May, 201610 yr by VRS1878

You speak to Nathan?? I had the same conversation by the sounds of it.

Yeah that's the man, he's dealing with all the complaints apparently.

Wait and see I guess.

He's probably reading this thread with interest lol

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allan1888, got a copy of that page in the brochure to post up yet?

allan1888, got a copy of that page in the brochure to post up yet?

i will get it done tomorrow