Clipped from BBC News website 6 minutes ago

Mitsubishi Motors has admitted falsifying fuel economy test data for more than 600,000 vehicles.
Shares in the Japanese car maker closed down more than 15% after it made the announcement.The inaccurate tests involved 157,000 of its own brand light passenger cars and 468,000 vehicles produced for Nissan.The problem was uncovered after Nissan pointed out inconsistencies in emissions data. Mitsubishi then conducted an internal investigation and found that figures had been falsified.
In 2014 South Korean car makers Hyundai and its affiliate, Kia, agreed to pay $350m in US penalties for overstating their vehicles' fuel economy ratings.

They are probably all at it!
Is this the future - advantage gained only by hidden electronics and performance enhancing chemicals?
However, behind every 'advantage' has been an executive 'go-ahead'. Fines are relatively pain-free for those decision makers - a few Go To Jail, Do Not Collect £££££s cards might shake things up.

 

Customers mugged again!

 

Whilst you are unlikely to get anywhere near them, I thought fuel consumption was determined from the test lab?

 

Perhaps the complete article explains more.

Seems that on the in-lab rolling road, they had pumped the tyres rock hard to minimise rolling resistance, a much higher pressure than would be safe on open roads.

You couldn't make it up.........................except, they did!

How shocking - pumping up the tyres!

How shocking - pumping up the tyres!

 

Next thing y'know they'll be putting bigger tyres on the back so they're always going downhill.

 

Gaz

How shocking - pumping up the tyres!

 

Yeah that's what I thought. I was under the impression that that sort of gaming was allowed in the EU tests. Along with special oils and taping up all the exterior edges.

Yeah that's what I thought. I was under the impression that that sort of gaming was allowed in the EU tests. Along with special oils and taping up all the exterior edges.

Pretty sure all that hasn't been allowed for a number of years.

Well who was next seems to have been German Manufacturers building and testing in Germany.

So 630,000 recalled Euro 5 & 6 Diesels.

 

What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander,

so since they are EU Approved and driving around other European countries polluting when the temperature is below 10*oC.

Time maybe that the Various Countries Regulators are taken to task.

Time that all manufacturers that had Grants to develop Green Technology were repaying it if they were involved in fraud, maybe money from the Board and Senior Managements Bank Accounts from Dividends / Bonuses etc.

http://news.sky.com/story/1683529/vw-diesel-scandal-costs-rises-to-12-7bn

Edited 22 April, 201610 yr by GoneOffSKi

I took it that the problem was only during the warmup phase to protect the engine........winter I Europe rarely reaches 10*c after all.

^^^ Are you serious?

Europe is a rather big place and winter might vary quite a lot and temperatures are certainly not rarely above 10*oC, 

but there are areas where it might not be for days or weeks at a time.

Edited 22 April, 201610 yr by GoneOffSKi

I meant days or weeks at a time with no operating emissions equipment in Northern Europe.

Certainly not the northern med frinstance.

You can have night time temperatures in the UK below 10*oC even in the Summer., 

All those Skoda , VW. Audi, Mercedes. BMW , Citroen, Peugeot, Renault Taxi / Mini Cab/ Airport Transports sitting engines ticking over 

and polluting.

 

The Manufacturers were at it, and using the loopholes that the Governments Experts were allowing them to use.

Found out now, manufacturers and Government Expert / Contractors.

 

There will be a good few diesels tonight with Emission Control off.

http://trafficscotland.org/weatherstations

Edited 22 April, 201610 yr by GoneOffSKi

How many days of the year would ambient temps be min 10*c during commute time?.

Easily 100 days below 10*oC in a morning commute in parts of Scotland, easily this winter 100 since September 2015 when VW were found out.

Edited 22 April, 201610 yr by GoneOffSKi

The bottom line is if you require 10*c to work then the diesel is no longer viable for urban duties.

Is it just because of where Skoda & Seat are built that they seem to keep being less involved, or left out of things

or what makes them so different as part of the Volkswagen Group?

http://autocar.co.uk/car-news/motoring/mercedes-opel-porsche-and-vw-recall-630000-diesel-powered-cars

(When they say cars that also includes some VW Light Commercials.)

Edited 23 April, 201610 yr by GoneOffSKi

Just noticed that BMW has not been dragged into the German / EU Dirty Diesel Fiasco.

Good on them, if they have no concerns then they should get their new Adverts made telling the Public.

......and Volvo seem clean.......or at least we assume so.

We replaced my wife's Focus with another Focus last week - we bought a 1.0 ecoboost capable of 125hp. It apparently can do 70mpg on the motorway. No chance! Haha so far 42.

Apparently the combined figure is something like 56.5 mpg, and then there is the low Co2 that Ford boast of.

But then that is achieved by EU Tests inside a temperature controlled building on a rolling road running a programme that has little relationship to the real world, and is a car with a driver only in it.

 

I wonder what real world fuel consumption will be like on the road with a 2016 Ford Focus RS 2.3 Eco-Boost 

with the ECU giving the extra fuel for the Crackles, pops  and burbles that Ford wanted.

I bet they were not shown from the EU Testing for the VED Band.

Edited 24 April, 201610 yr by GoneOffSKi

After 17,000kms our 1.2 shows average speed - 67kph - fuel consumption - 5L/100 and the odometer is accurate.......the brakes will possibly outlast us.