I see that the Superb III has won both the saloon and esate car of the year awards from Auto Express for 2016

 

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/skoda/superb/96181/family-car-of-the-year-2016-skoda-superb

 

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/skoda/superb/96184/estate-car-of-the-year-2016-skoda-superb-estate

I'm not surprised. It really is very good value for what you get. Interstitial to see that so far none of the reports I have seen/read recommend the 190 version. Is it not offered to journalists by any chance?

"Interstitial". 

 

Don't you just love auto correct sometimes. You have been reading between the lines again I assume   

I know this is the Superb section but least not forget that the Citygo also was a winner, so three cars from Skoda were winners.

Interstitial to see that so far none of the reports I have seen/read recommend the 190 version. Is it not offered to journalists by any chance?

I guess you haven't been looking too hard. Try searches - here's a couple to start: AusfahrtTV and What Car.

I'm not surprised. It really is very good value for what you get. Interstitial to see that so far none of the reports I have seen/read recommend the 190 version. Is it not offered to journalists by any chance?

 

They rarely recommend any of the top spec trim levels or engines, they usually tend to go with the middle of the road ones, which is probably fine for most owners, but no good for those of us who want maximum performance or toys.

I read in today's Daily Telegraph 2016 Awards, that they have awarded 'best family car' to the Superb!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/news/mazda-mx-5-named-telegraph-car-of-the-year-2016/

They rarely recommend any of the top spec trim levels or engines, they usually tend to go with the middle of the road ones, which is probably fine for most owners, but no good for those of us who want maximum performance or toys.

I find it a bit off putting alright when the motoring press (in general) only recommend mid spec and makes me question going for another top end model however, over time this is going to be a fleet model predominantly and you can see why mpg and tax bands etc are so critical. It's all about optimising the amount of power, comfort and luxury in the most tax efficient way.

A few years down the road, I think we should see privately owned, higher spec models more desirable and holding onto more value as the market will be flooded with high mileage SE Business models (and mostly in business grey )

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Most of these cars will be diesels too. In three to five years time oil burners will be banned from major city centres.

"In three to five years time oil burners will be banned from major city centres."

 

Wow, that is some prediction on which to base a future value.

Call me a sceptic but I think auto express is always a little biased towards VAG. I also think they promote the mid spec models purely as the stats show they are the best sellers, they'd be nuts to tell everyone to buy a l&k 280 wagon.... As they'd alienate 90% of their readers.

Ultimately everyone chooses their car on their own personal circumstances, fuel, size/space, economy, equipment, image, driving dynamics/handling etc etc. i don't think the superb is best for all of these BUT it is pretty good at all of them (with the exception of dynamics/handling).

Most of these cars will be diesels too. In three to five years time oil burners will be banned from major city centres.

No way, too much money and too many big businesses with vested interests... If they announced it today, they'd need to give 8-10 years notice/phase out time as a minimum.

Besides, they'd need to get it passed via the EU first.....oh right, sorry, forgot!?!?!!!

We'll see. Nox is a killer in or out of the EU. The dash for diesel was proved to be a con.

Diesel has to go ASAP. I have small kids. Petrol x2 for me. No way I'm letting them breathe in diesel fumes on the drive in the morning.

Petrol, petrol / electric & full electric are the way forward.

If I could afford it, I'd be Tesla S & Renault Zoe all the way - and that's from a previous TVR Chimaera owner who loves a V8 as much as the next petrolhead.

Diesel might be good on the fuel consumption, but it emits seriously bad ****! Big business or not.

Avoid, avoid, avoid!

BTW, currently in Rome on holiday. Most of the cabs (more than 50%) are Toyota Auris Estate hybrids with the occasional Prius. Speaking to the cabbies, they are avoiding diesel when they change / buy a new cab. The worm has turned.

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Diesel has to go ASAP. I have small kids. Petrol x2 for me. No way I'm letting them breathe in diesel fumes on the drive in the morning.

Petrol, petrol / electric & full electric are the way forward.

If I could afford it, I'd be Tesla S & Renault Zoe all the way - and that's from a previous TVR Chimaera owner who loves a V8 as much as the next petrolhead.

Diesel might be good on the fuel consumption, but it emits seriously bad ****! Big business or not.

Avoid, avoid, avoid!

BTW, currently in Rome on holiday. Most of the cabs (more than 50%) are Toyota Auris Estate hybrids with the occasional Prius. Speaking to the cabbies, they are avoiding diesel when they change / buy a new cab. The worm has turned.

If your kids are breathing in your own diesel fumes in the car, then something is seriously wrong! I know you mean other people's diesel fumes but there's little you can do about that individually.

 

It's also worth noting that the Euro 6 measures mean that the NOx emissions for diesel and petrol are no longer too dissimilar at 80 and 60 mg/km respectively, which is a relatively small difference at just 1.2 times more for diesel, and significantly better than, say, 2005 when diesel was 3.13 times greater. On top of that, CO2 emissions are now half as low for diesel as they are for petrol and particulate matter emissions are equal. I think it's unfair to say that diesels are automatically far worse than petrol cars - both are worse than each other, just in slightly different ways.

 

Hybrid/AEV are clearly somewhat better, but until we produce more of our energy without burning fossil fuels, then the electricity used to charge them up is still generated in a way which emits huge numbers of air pollutants. And until manufacturers invest more money into their electric research and a) bring the cost of the vehicles down and improve the range of them, it's sadly only ever going to be an insignificant player in the car market.

NOx emissions for diesel and petrol are no longer too dissimilar at 80 and 60 mg/km respectively, which is a relatively small difference at just 1.2 times more for diesel

Sorry, correction needed here: diesel is now 1.33 times higher than petrol, not 1.2 as I strangely and incorrectly put before...

Or a better comparison is perhaps to say that in 2005 they were up to 213% higher but are now just 33% higher - a very significant improvement.

Hi maffyou - no, not suggesting kids are breathing in our own fumes regularly, but we reverse off our drive so do 'ingest' petrol fumes (rich, cold engine mix) on occasion when I've forgotten to turn on the recirculation switch in time. Wouldn't want that to be diesel.

As for others' fumes, I have recirculation on virtually all the time now, unless driving in really clean air, i.e. the countryside!

I know modern diesels (Euro 6) are very much cleaner, but there are still so many 'dirty' diesels on the road, and recent events have finally shown that we were properly sold a pup by the Blair Govt. in relation to diesel being better for us and the environment (co2).

Each to their own, but the less fumes my kids ingest, the better. Diesel is on the way out IMO.

I agree petrol is only marginally better, and the sooner we all go electric, the better!

The above with apologies to the OP philsmith. We've gone rather off topic!

Hi maffyou - no, not suggesting kids are breathing in our own fumes regularly, but we reverse off our drive so do 'ingest' petrol fumes (rich, cold engine mix) on occasion when I've forgotten to turn on the recirculation switch in time. Wouldn't want that to be diesel.

As for others' fumes, I have recirculation on virtually all the time now, unless driving in really clean air, i.e. the countryside!

I know modern diesels (Euro 6) are very much cleaner, but there are still so many 'dirty' diesels on the road, and recent events have finally shown that we were properly sold a pup by the Blair Govt. in relation to diesel being better for us and the environment (co2).

Each to their own, but the less fumes my kids ingest, the better. Diesel is on the way out IMO.

I agree petrol is only marginally better, and the sooner we all go electric, the better!

On all our cars if you engage reverse the recirc flap is triggered automatically???

On all our cars if you engage reverse the recirc flap is triggered automatically???

Really? Didn't know that. Not sure it's all that effective then.

Really? Didn't know that. Not sure it's all that effective then.

I assume its only if the aircon control is set to 'auto' as is the case on the SII?

recirc when engaging reverse works on both our MkII Octavia (with dual climate), our Honda Civic (with auto aircon) and also worked on our Mk 1 Fabia (with manual aircon) all regardless of the setting in the car.

 

However, it does take a few seconds to close so if you are a bit quick moving backwards after engaging reverse you can still get a whiff of exhaust...

recirc when engaging reverse works on both our MkII Octavia (with dual climate), our Honda Civic (with auto aircon) and also worked on our Mk 1 Fabia (with manual aircon) all regardless of the setting in the car.

 

However, it does take a few seconds to close so if you are a bit quick moving backwards after engaging reverse you can still get a whiff of exhaust...

That might explain it then! Thanks

My S3 doesn't do this, or it certainly didn't do it earlier today and the climate control was definitely on auto.