I'd agree and I think driving offences should start at dangerous driving and go up from there. If you've not potentially put someone in danger then what have you really done wrong? For a crime to be committed there has to be a victim, who is the victim of a bog standard speeding offence?

Just curious but can you be a victim of your own crime? i.e you lose control of a car and kill yourself, then you have created disruption for other people + possibly created trauma for the people who have seen it/ read about it/ know you/ + the effect possibly on the police and other emergancy services & so on.

On another note

I remember reading an article in the paper & it was all over the news today about that driver who was on a 60mph road lost control because the road was icy {he probably didn't know and thought everything was fine} he ended up killing several cyclists because he lost control in what would seem a straight road where 60mph would probably create no problems normally {although what speed he was actually doing I do not know}

Just for me it makes me think.

perhaps they ought to all spend 6 months on a bike but I guess the carnage would be horrendous.

More to the point , the standard of driving would be even worse - with even more people 'undertaking' and not thinking that it was a problem!

Why ANYBODY on a bike would do this is beyond me, then would moan if they got knocked off because the driver didnt see them (when they shouldnt of even been there!).

any chance we can split this thread - its a good thread but desperately off topic...

Should have kept my mouth shut

the device that you were caught on is called 'vascar' and measures your speed between two points. its very accurate and for you to get an average speed of 84mph means u were going a lot faster than that at one stage.

sorry to sound like im ranting but that speed is excessive for a bypass and im sure you would agree when you attend an accident and see the consequences of driving to fast' date=' just because you think you were driving safely doesnt mean everyone else are.[/quote']

Utter rubbish

If you enter the zone at 84mph sustain it throughout the zone and exit at 84mph

then your "average" speed is 84mph nothing higher nor nothing less

That is the trouble with vascar users they are told something and believe it

If he entered the zone at 120mph and exited at 70mph "then" the "average" speed would be 84mph

84mph overtaking someone doing 68mph on a national speed limit dual carriageway is NOT excessive so long as you drop back to 70mph once safely past

YMMV

Nothing to do with safety, more to do with getting the quota and revenue up without actually working for it

You could also sit outside a church on Sunday morning and do the poor 74 yearold

dear with alzeimers for forgetting to secure the seat belt after a reversing difficulty

thats good for three points and sixty quid You would not get shouted at so much either

(I was going to say or have you not stooped so low yet, but they have they have and it was leaving a funeral)

Don't blame Police resources or deployment for the fact that you got nabbed speeding. There's a limit on all roads, even for you, so don't whinge when you get caught. Chances might be that they saved your life when you lost control at 100mph, ever thought along those lines. I'm not a traffic officer but know a few who are and they have to put up with bullsh*t comments like this every day. Seeing drivers, passengers and innocent people mashed up due to speeding. You've only got youself to blame.