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Spark condition ? Change or keep ?

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Looking at threads on plug condition of MkII fabia vrs threads about their earlier failures- my plugs still look pretty good, may still have service life do you think ?
 

I'm tempted to just change ( this is just one of them so not sure of the others but presume similar). This is just under 50K but 2014 plate.

 

Change or keep ?

 

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I vote for bin them now.

You have had the life of them.

 

Look very closely at the electrode tip,  then check the gap.   Do you know what the gap should be?

Bin

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That is part of the problem, to replace them they will need to be gapped ! Any idea what this is ? I don't think they even do a haynes yet do they ? or OEM ones are pregapped.

 

Ah this is useful:

http://www.ngkpartfinder.co.uk/car_commercial_extra.php?id=14828

 

NGK suggests pregapped and oem ARE ngk I thikn....I'm going to buy them from briskoda parts as its cheapest

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Apparently its 30Nm to torque which is about right with what the GTI 7 guys have been saying too

 

Just an alternative reminder of the OEM parts numbers ( useful for briskoda parts)

NGK VW AG

06K905601b

n65 h410

 

Though the maintenance guide says 28Nm...bah

Also confirms an alternative BOSCH part. I prefer the look of the seating on the NGK myself which seems more purposeful so will probably do the order with briskoda parts.

 

2.0 l/162 kW CHHB
Bosch F5NPP332SBP
06K 905 611 C
0.7 ... 0.8 -T10530- ⇒ page 16 28 Nm
 

 

So gapping is 0.7- 0.8mm. Yep, that gap is HUGE and need replacing, I think this may be making my fuel efficient poorer than normal.

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This is why you get people vote  no-confidence in dealer services ( from those gifted with the ability to read and digest information ).

 

So my car is 2014 and ~50 K.

"Every 60 000 km or 4 year" spark replacement. Should have been done sub 40K so was due even before I had the car which was around 40ish ?

 

No change of plugs from new clearly !

 

And you might wonder why I've been running my Fabia 1 vRS for 10 years ( running flawlessly by the way, minimal failures TOUCH WOOD!) doing own services since out of warranty......

 

Thanks, you just convinced me from next year to carry on the good work !

I'm getting my sparks changed in October when my VRS is due its 4th service along with the DSG oil too, as my car is approaching the 34,000 miles mark & to be honest I think the service plan for these cars is stupid! 40K for the dealer to even think about, let alone if they do actually change the spark plugs or not...after I've had them changed, I'll post up a few pictures of what they looked like for comparison etc...

 

But I think depending on what they actually look like when taken out & how the car feels (running) I would be inclined to change them sooner in the future, maybe every 2 years at least (depending on how they look once taken out)

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Had my spark plugs (NGK) changed yesterday vRSAnt & I have to say that I completely forget to get a picture of them :( but I did check them over & they weren't that far off from how yours look above, probably a little bit better but not that much noticeable if I'm honest, My Skoda is on 34,420 miles, all I can say is that! the actual bloody rubber that goes over each separate spark is a right pain to pull up/off, you have to be very careful & the actual design from VW is terrible :swear: I would still like to change the spark plugs every 2 years but the rubber between the spark plugs & coil packs actually puts me off in getting it done as it is a :swear: design.

 

I think because of this & after seeing my spark plugs & you're spark plugs above, with hardly not much difference between them, I think I would change them every 3-4 years but also depending on the type of mileage we all do etc...

 

But saying that, the vRS does seem to idle/run & sound better & the engine feels a lot more smoother.

 

Really sorry about the pictures I completely forget until I went back to look at my post above.

Looking at the plugs then they provide a good picture of a nicely running engine to me.

 

At 50k miles I'd be changing them just as a proactive measure.

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I case you are wondering I did just do them.

 

The car was pretty fast and mostly smooth before changing ( well, its a petrol so its smooth by nature). But definitely noticeably better particularly on idle and low rpm pickup, less lumpy I think. I'd ensure they are done at the required miles or age.

Just had my fixed price 40k service £269, and the dealer changed the plugs all included. 60000km/40000miles was close enough I guess!

All with the caveat that it says they've changed them! Saying and doing!

I want to change mine as in a similar situation, what plugs did you use, part number and any top tips?

Thanks

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Tips, warm the engine first, the rubber plugs tips pop right off easily ! Or leave them cold and be prepared for a tug of war.

 

And torque obviously. I even have the torque settings on here, 28Nm which is if I recall correctly around 20 Ft/Lb ish as I have an older wrench.

 

Some kind of tubing or similar, that you can push over the end of the plug and use that to screw in the thead by hand. Don't use tools to get the thread going.

 

Use care removing the electrical connectors also, I'm sure they snap easily. They come off easy enough and just have to find a bit of play to move stuff out the way to get the plugs out.

 

Basic practical mechanics basically, nothing really too taxing for anyone with a level head.

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