But if they run 2.5G, Edge, 3G, 4G and 5G concurrently during an overlap period, as they have been doing already with 2.5 - 4G for the last  8 years  and 2.5 - 3G for the last  18 years. . . how much energy will that be ? 

 

Nick

 

Doesn't work like that. You've been getting hit by gigawatts of EM from the Sun and Jupiter and even the odd cosmic ray from ancient supernova.

 

Proportionality and probability come into play?

 

Ever been anywhere near granite bearing rock? You've probably had a few lungfuls of radon gas.

You eat food contaminated with fallout from Russian, USA, UK and French open air nuclear tests plus Chernobl and Fukushima.

Ever had an xray?

 

All of the above will have caused far more damage by ionising radiation than your phone ever will be able to.

 

Your body is remarkably good at dealing with radiation damage and poisoning. That's because you've spend the last 3 billion years evolving in an environment that is quite damaging to DNA.

 

If you're born with **** for genes any and all of the above will probably hasten your demise, but not by much, you were ****ed the day your were conceived.

 

Now get on with your life and stop ****ing worrying.

ID refused me, said I failed "internal security checks"; despite asking the question wtf!!?? They havent bothered to reply.

 

You're a spy.

 

Doesn't work like that. You've been getting hit by gigawatts of EM from the Sun and Jupiter and even the odd cosmic ray from ancient supernova.

 

Proportionality and probability come into play?

 

Ever been anywhere near granite bearing rock? You've probably had a few lungfuls of radon gas.

You eat food contaminated with fallout from Russian, USA, UK and French open air nuclear tests plus Chernobl and Fukushima.

Ever had an xray?

 

All of the above will have caused far more damage by ionising radiation than your phone ever will be able to.

 

Your body is remarkably good at dealing with radiation damage and poisoning. That's because you've spend the last 3 billion years evolving in an environment that is quite damaging to DNA.

 

If you're born with **** for genes any and all of the above will probably hasten your demise, but not by much, you were ****** the day your were conceived.

 

Now get on with your life and stop kitten worrying.

Haemophiliacs and Factor 8 to you.

 

That's the real HMG attitude to substantial washback from damaging events that they have been responsible for.

 

Perhaps some of this worry about the introduction of new technologies could be dispelled, if it was perceived that anyone who unfortunately fell foul of it were guarenteed a safety net of recognition, care and compensation. To my knowledge,the mobile phone industry hasn't been required to establish a "Public Protection" fund/bonding system up front of their operations - though this would be a standard requirement where risk is perceived in commercial relations between limited companies.

 

You may recall that HMG, specifically the NHS, did similar "Back-of-the-fag packet" calculations in the mid-1980s when deciding to source Factor 8 (Used to treat Haemophilia) from bloodbanks in the USA, because it was cheaper than sourcing it locally.

 

Only trouble was, many of he "Clinics" supplying this blood product got their "Donations" from down-and-outs and ne're do wells and druggies. Trouble was a large proportion of the blood donated was contaminated with Hepatitis C and Aids virus. And when a substantial number of the UK recipients of this contaminated Factor 8  became seriously ill, the government did its usual rigorous denial routine and bureaucratic and legal blocking of any action to DENY those effected any reasonable opportunity for restitution/compensation. In actual fact they went much further than that, according to an ex-minster of Health, Dr David Ownen, by actually shredding the entire ministerial records on the subject - these are usually preserved for  the Departmental archive and then staggered release to the Public records Office, according to "Sensitivity"

 

Oh, by the way, the effected Haemophiliacs stiil haven't received recognition of their complaint or compensation and are unlikely to because the documentary  evidence was destroyed. Nice, eh ?

 

The difference between the deleterious radiation events you refer to and microwave RFI associated with mobiles is that the Mobile Radio Emissions will be a constant, if not increasing, value operating in the background from the date of introduction till its phasing out as a technology and it will be far more pervasive and have a "Full-stength" omnipresence unlike the effects of airbourne nucleur weapon testing, one-off escapes of radioactive isotopes from Sellafield, Three Mile Island, Chernobyl and CT scans and X-rays. Some cogniscence of the damaging effects of irradition for medical purposes is taken today in the way that most treating doctors now enquire of the patient as to the number of CTs/X-rays you have had in the preceding months before requesting more of these tests - but even that "Ad hoc" mechanism is bad -there's no personal lifetime record kept. IMHO, there should be. That's another one waiting to go "Pop".

 

Its people in authority, with attitudes like this, that we trust with our lives and Income Tax.

 

Meanwhile, No win, No fee lawyers will be doing very well, but only for those "In-the-know"

 

Nick

Edited 16 September, 20169 yr by Clunkclick

A mate of mine contracted Hep C from contaminated blood product so I'm well aware of that.

And it's nothing like your worries over EM. Apples and oranges.

 

There are many things you'd be better wasting your energy worrying about on than mobile phone radiation.

 

I saw some people yesterday that had been through some truly horrible things and I can't be bothered with this nonsense.

5G? I can't even get a calling signal :(

 

You're on o2 as well then?

 

I can see about 5miles over the city of Sheffield from my loft, can I make a call? Yes, but only for 5mins before I go fish tank garbled.

 

Some of the guys I'm advising about installing 'internet' to some remote locations are now pushing back as they reckon 5g will solve the problem...

 

The same problem, it's a physical one will apply, location, location, location, although in theory ( as I understand it ) there will be a slight coverage bump, but not much more than 2g to 3g and certainly not a broad range coverage of 4g. By 2020 we might see London City, 2030 my bet, given where we are on the 4g roadmap...

 

Twisted wire still works, or walking 500' up a hillside in scotland. Anglesey makes me chuckle, can't get a uk operator... easily picks up Ireland that's 50miles away! Can I make a call in sheffield...

 

Actually meant to call for my pac code thing so I can hop over to vodapony, actually thinking about 3, but purely for the data setup Tethering for the win!

 

I did myself more harm eating 2 chocolate biscuits than using my phone. Mainly as I eat chocolate biscuits more than I use my phone.... thanks o2.

It was reported sometime ago that 02 were well behind vodaphone on investment in filling in the gaps in 3G

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Interesting to see what happens with 5G when the kit for that starts appearing on posh middle class nimby streets - in the past the providers could position  the masts in less well-to-do areas and almost guarenteeing no protest, knowing that that position covered the well-to-do areas as well. Now they are all going to be in it, together.

 

 

Nick

Edited 16 September, 20169 yr by Clunkclick

It was reported sometime ago that 02 were well behind vodaphone on investment in filling in the gaps in 3G

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Interesting to see what happens with 5G when the kit for that starts appearing on posh middle class nimby streets - in the past the providers could position the masts in less well-to-do areas and almost guarenteeing no protest, knowing that that position covered the well-to-do areas as well. Now they are all going to be in it, together.

Nick

They'll do as they do at the moment. Put it inside a lamp post and no one will be any the wiser that it's there.

They'll do as they do at the moment. Put it inside a lamp post and no one will be any the wiser that it's there.

 

Except that they put a new, fatter lamp post in, so everyone notices it is different from all the others - at least, that is what they did around here; I spotted the disguised masts going in at the local supermarket carparks, and a local garage suddenly sprouted a 1/2 height lamp post on its canopy.

 

It reminds me of the large coms mast in the Cotswolds that they tried to disguise as a tree.

Except that they put a new, fatter lamp post in, so everyone notices it is different from all the others - at least, that is what they did around here; I spotted the disguised masts going in at the local supermarket carparks, and a local garage suddenly sprouted a 1/2 height lamp post on its canopy.

 

It reminds me of the large coms mast in the Cotswolds that they tried to disguise as a tree.

Same here,  the current design for 3/4G, you can't miss 'em.

 

The "Lamppost"  for 3/4G is steel, about 1.25- 1.3  times as high as main road lampposts, has an increased diameter on the top quarter/third and are always placed on main roads.

 

And if they are going to use something of that dimension  in side streets, it'll stick out like the sore thumb.

 

Also, these 3/4G repeaters are supported by additional roadside boxes.

 

And the other thing is there are still plently of side streets round here that still have the old concrete lampposts, so again there will be a contrast.

 

And usually the middle class nimbys are more community/ locality aware and officially connected and will know what's going to happen well in advance.

 

Nick

 

 

Nick

Edited 17 September, 20169 yr by Clunkclick

Except that they put a new, fatter lamp post in, so everyone notices it is different from all the others - at least, that is what they did around here; I spotted the disguised masts going in at the local supermarket carparks, and a local garage suddenly sprouted a 1/2 height lamp post on its canopy.

It reminds me of the large coms mast in the Cotswolds that they tried to disguise as a tree.

The newer ones are just repeaters (think rabbit telecommunications). So can be much smaller.

The only clue I've seen is a fatter lamp head. The post is the same as the taller LED posts the council are currently replacing all the incandescent posts around the county with.

Means any post can easily be converted at a later stage.

Small bonus to the new led lamps. I left my loft windows open, with my two work lamps. Ordinarily, I'd be chasing mothra's all night. Nope, not one... thanks to the LED super nova outside I think it's better, but still don't think they need to be on. Certainly not motorway lamps, turn em all off we might not need to turn hinkly on...

 

We want better coms but object to masts.  IIRC the pylons were strongly objected to, yet we all benefit from a national grid. Upgraded fat lamp posts have to be a better outcome than the fugly masts of today. What sticks out, apart from all the Q7 bumpers on driveways carved out of gardens... metropolis is coming, reserve your plot of Orkney now They have pretty dam good interwebs too

It will be interesting to see when LED street lights are fitted around here, they installed new HPS lights throughout much of the town only a couple of years ago.

You're on o2 as well then?

 

I can see about 5miles over the city of Sheffield from my loft, can I make a call? Yes, but only for 5mins before I go fish tank garbled.

 

Some of the guys I'm advising about installing 'internet' to some remote locations are now pushing back as they reckon 5g will solve the problem...

 

The same problem, it's a physical one will apply, location, location, location, although in theory ( as I understand it ) there will be a slight coverage bump, but not much more than 2g to 3g and certainly not a broad range coverage of 4g. By 2020 we might see London City, 2030 my bet, given where we are on the 4g roadmap...

 

Twisted wire still works, or walking 500' up a hillside in scotland. Anglesey makes me chuckle, can't get a uk operator... easily picks up Ireland that's 50miles away! Can I make a call in sheffield...

 

Actually meant to call for my pac code thing so I can hop over to vodapony, actually thinking about 3, but purely for the data setup Tethering for the win!

 

I did myself more harm eating 2 chocolate biscuits than using my phone. Mainly as I eat chocolate biscuits more than I use my phone.... thanks o2.

Yep, wife's on O2 and I'm on EE. Mines slightly better than hers but only if I stand out in the middle of the garden or do a headstand in the shower and dial with my toes. I called both EE and O2 about it and there "cure" is to use wifi calling lol. Waiting for contracts to expire then I'm just cancelling them off and I'll communicate by the more reliable courier pigeon.

That's the problem. Irrespective of how bad your current providers coverage and service is, you run the gauntlet by trying to move to another provider and then finding out it's even worse. Best you can do is pick the best of the worst and live with it.

That's the problem. Irrespective of how bad your current providers coverage and service is, you run the gauntlet by trying to move to another provider and then finding out it's even worse. Best you can do is pick the best of the worst and live with it.

 

You buy a Pay As You Go SIM, and try them out for a few weeks before committing, SIMPLES!!!.

Oh, I never thought of that... 

 

If only it were that simple. My business is my phone number essentially, and all the calls I make on my usual number start coming from a new one & people get confused with a strange number calling them. I travel all over North Yorkshire and County Durham/Teesside etc. over the course of a years work, and running 2 numbers doesn't work. I've tried it before and people ring the old number, then the new number, calls get missed, work gets missed, and in the end it transpires that I'm still better off on Vodafone because it's the only one that works in my house.

Oh, I never thought of that... 

 

If only it were that simple. My business is my phone number essentially, and all the calls I make on my usual number start coming from a new one & people get confused with a strange number calling them. I travel all over North Yorkshire and County Durham/Teesside etc. over the course of a years work, and running 2 numbers doesn't work. I've tried it before and people ring the old number, then the new number, calls get missed, work gets missed, and in the end it transpires that I'm still better off on Vodafone because it's the only one that works in my house.

 

You dont have an old phone, or you cannot borrow an old phone to try a new SIM in?? If business is that important, BUY a £9.99 phone for the trial.

 

Or, assuming you arent welded to brand names, buy a decent DUAL SIM phone (this usually means buying Chinese), so you can run two (or three) networks on one phone. Some of the latest Chinese brands will run two 4G networks at the same time.

 

 

EDIT:

 

You dont need to USE the phone for business calls, just monitor signal strength, to make sure the network covers the areas you work in, and perhaps make a few calls to/from the new SIM from any other phone to check for drop outs etc, in areas where the signal seems weak. (and run speedtests if you need it for mobile internet)

Edited 18 September, 20169 yr by GentleGiant