5G rollout is provisionally slated for 2020 in the UK.

 

Parliament is debating the relevant controlling legislation at the moment.

 

By the look of the proposed implementation its going to involve a huge expansion in localised "In your street" millimetric shortwave transmissions - with possibly TX/RX stations on every other lamp post/building.

 

This must mean that the amount of microwave per cubic unit of measurement will rise significantly ?

 

Yet, when you look at the proposed governing legislation going through Parliament at the moment, there is no chapter concerning health implications:-

 

http://services.parliament.uk/bills/2016-17/digitaleconomy.html

 

The Radiological Protection Board has already gone on record to confirm that mobile phone use of the current generation of phones will give rise to a certain level of cancer deaths  (In the hundreds of thousands) and that these casualties are acceptable. ! With the proposed increase in use under 5 G, the predicted figures must be far worse for 5G.

 

 

Any views on this ?

 

 

Nick

Edited 13 September, 20169 yr by Clunkclick

I'm still waiting for 3G from Vodafone. They keep sending me texts saying they've upgraded the network so I can expect massive improvements in 4G signal strength, but I can't see that happening any time soon really.

 

5G? Pie in the sky for me I'm afraid.

you have wifi in the home, so the on each street could be at much lower power than the current a few massive transmitters set up.

I'm still waiting for 3G from Vodafone. They keep sending me texts saying they've upgraded the network so I can expect massive improvements in 4G signal strength, but I can't see that happening any time soon really.

 

5G? Pie in the sky for me I'm afraid.

Likewise, at least for values of "having 3G" that mean that mobile browsing is actually usable rather than that the signal conforms to the 3G standard.

You're more likely to get cancer from the sun, being fat, drinking etc than you are from low level microwave radiation.

 

In fact the electronics and fire retardants in the phone are probably a lot more dangerous.

 

Apples, mustard, toast, BBQ food all contain notable levels of carcinogenic chemicals.

 

Chemically oxygen is quite bad for you so I strongly suggest you avoid breathing for the good of your health.

 

Also stress is a known carcinogenic factor so stop worrying about getting cancer, or you'll get cancer.

 

Death is 100% contagious and 100% fatal, the incubation period is somewhere between 0-140 years.

Edited 13 September, 20169 yr by Aspman

I wonder how much the electromagnetic waves produced from phones ect effect the body's magnetic field? Given that disease and aging are essentially a breakdown in cellular communication by adding more and more electromagnetic pollution will surely have an effect on your own body's ability to protect and repair itself.

 

Here's a couple of interesting articles.

 

The Effects of Electromagnetic Fields: What is Penetrating You? http://www.weness.org/emfs/effects-electromagnetic-fields.html

 

Biomagnetic Fields - https://www.drpawluk.com/education/biomagnetic-fields/

And he posts this sat in front of a massive EM transmitter AKA a computer screen.

I wonder how much the electromagnetic waves produced from phones ect effect the body's magnetic field? Given that disease and aging are essentially a breakdown in cellular communication by adding more and more electromagnetic pollution will surely have an effect on your own body's ability to protect and repair itself.

Here's a couple of interesting articles.

The Effects of Electromagnetic Fields: What is Penetrating You? http://www.weness.org/emfs/effects-electromagnetic-fields.html

Biomagnetic Fields - https://www.drpawluk.com/education/biomagnetic-fields/

And for Only $100 Cathee and Peter can remotely diagnose your emf related problems and help solve them for as little as $200!

Edited 13 September, 20169 yr by trundlenut

5G? I can't even get a calling signal :(

Faraday cage is a fancy name for a tin-foil hat/suit, yeah?  Seems likely you'll already be well equipped Nick.

I'm still waiting for 3G from Vodafone. They keep sending me texts saying they've upgraded the network so I can expect massive improvements in 4G signal strength, but I can't see that happening any time soon really.

5G? Pie in the sky for me I'm afraid.

Vodafone really are rubbish. In some parts of the UK expect consistent 3G once 6G comes out.

Probably still won't get a signal in most city centres though.

EE's 4G is very impressive, and much faster than any of the others. Most of my local area is now 4G.

Vodafone really are rubbish. In some parts of the UK expect consistent 3G once 6G comes out.

Probably still won't get a signal in most city centres though.

EE's 4G is very impressive, and much faster than any of the others. Most of my local area is now 4G.

Unfortunately Vodafone are the best of a bad lot for me. They're the only network who can give me a signal in the house without standing on one leg in the bathroom etc. (except Three who give me a full signal) so it's the preferred option. Drive a few hundred yards from the house and all the networks pick up a signal except Three who drop off completely.

Unfortunately Vodafone are the best of a bad lot for me. They're the only network who can give me a signal in the house without standing on one leg in the bathroom etc. (except Three who give me a full signal) so it's the preferred option. Drive a few hundred yards from the house and all the networks pick up a signal except Three who drop off completely.

Vodafone are moving a lot of masts around and decommissioning some whilst others get 4G upgrade.

Once our area got 4G, one of the masts was moved and we no longer get a signal inside the house.

Unfortunately it's a company phone, so have to suffer poor signal around the UK.

"mobile phone use of the current generation of phones will give rise to a certain level of cancer deaths  (In the hundreds of thousands) and that these casualties are acceptable. ! "

probably in distracted driving....

 

Ok that's a bit snarky, but is there definitely peer-reviewed evidence that current mobile phones will kill hundreds of thousands of people from cancer? (Out of 55 million? 6 Billion?)

 

Rustynuts - do you not want to go with 3? I'm finding them ok (except for low signal where I am) - good data plan, allows tethering etc.. The roaming is brilliant when travelling abroad for work. But they are pricey for calling to overseas - GiffGaff were much cheaper.

Unfortunately Vodafone are the best of a bad lot for me. They're the only network who can give me a signal in the house without standing on one leg in the bathroom etc. (except Three who give me a full signal) so it's the preferred option. Drive a few hundred yards from the house and all the networks pick up a signal except Three who drop off completely.

 

sounds like my mums house - I'm the only one to get a decent signal there as I'm the only one on Vodafone - she's on EE/Orange and has to walk to the end of the road to get one...

 

probably in distracted driving....

 

Ok that's a bit snarky, but is there definitely peer-reviewed evidence that current mobile phones will kill hundreds of thousands of people from cancer? (Out of 55 million? 6 Billion?)

 

Rustynuts - do you not want to go with 3? I'm finding them ok (except for low signal where I am) - good data plan, allows tethering etc.. The roaming is brilliant when travelling abroad for work. But they are pricey for calling to overseas - GiffGaff were much cheaper.

 

Daughter's on Three and it works at home. Once I leave home though I get bugger all signal anywhere round where I work. I don't need tethering, I don't use data, I don't even use texts very much (I've sent more texts in the past three days to a member on here than I've sent in the past year), I don't go abroad, and to be fair to Vodafone for £15 a month I get everything I need. I just wish they'd stop yarping on about how they're improving everything when they clearly aren't.

Daughter's on Three and it works at home. Once I leave home though I get bugger all signal anywhere round where I work. I don't need tethering, I don't use data, I don't even use texts very much (I've sent more texts in the past three days to a member on here than I've sent in the past year), I don't go abroad, and to be fair to Vodafone for £15 a month I get everything I need. I just wish they'd stop yarping on about how they're improving everything when they clearly aren't.

 

£15 a month?   I'm paying £8 SIM only!

 

If you're not using data and texts see if you can swap over.

£15 a month?   I'm paying £8 SIM only!

 

If you're not using data and texts see if you can swap over.

There are cheaper tariffs, yes. but I need unlimited minutes because that's all I use. A bonus is I also get 2Gb of data and unlimited texts, but I don't use them.

There are cheaper tariffs, yes. but I need unlimited minutes because that's all I use. A bonus is I also get 2Gb of data and unlimited texts, but I don't use them.

 

Aha...makes sense then!

Vodafone really are rubbish. In some parts of the UK expect consistent 3G once 6G comes out.

Probably still won't get a signal in most city centres though.

EE's 4G is very impressive, and much faster than any of the others. Most of my local area is now 4G.

I got a text from O2 recently saying I could now get 4G at home. For the next two weeks it went from 3G to G! Yay O2!

And he posts this sat in front of a massive EM transmitter AKA a computer screen.

I am also with a mobile phone sat next to me and an Ipad on the other side of the bed and a router no more than 10m from me, and even if I were to get rid of them it would be the same in every house or even every building I go in. Just the way it is.

The last (And only ?) HMG inspired investigation and report on this issue was done in 1998 - the Stewart Report.

 

The views of independent consultants as well as the central government authoriies were drawn into this report and, I think, this where the RPB figure came from and related to the period up to the end of the horizon used in the report.

 

If that horizon was 10 years then the RPB figure is greater than road traffic fatalities.

 

There have been great leaps foward in the mobile phone technology since, mostly involving systems which compete for attention from the local node by a schema which involves competitive escalation of power output through the devices attenna.

 

Whilst we are told that this type of  microwave radiation is non-ionising, it still has the ability to move the contents of biological cell structures around, thus effecting their form, function and efficiency.

 

Living near power lines is considered a hazard, but with mobiles and computer comms you're also talking about pulsed energy emmissions.

 

 

I can only suppose that a further report hasn't been commissioned because government think they have already put the issue to bed  16 years ago as regards public concerns - you've had your report, that's our national duty of care satisfied, that's your lot, for ll time.

 

IMHO, the envisaged expansion  with 5G is going to dwarf anything that came before, making a further assessment of the radiation effects of mass personal radio use as  essentail.

 

 

Nick

I ended up with ID mobile which is CarPhoneWhorehouse piggy backing on 3. Checked the coverage maps and 3 were the only ones getting 3G to my new house.

 

Got it via a deals website, 300min, unlimited texts and 2G of data for £7.50 on a 1 month contract.

 

I needed the data while Plusnet fannied about not turning my BB on.

 

AS far as I'm aware 5G power outputs will be the same or lower than 3/4G. Doesn't matter how much EM you're being hit by, what matters is the energy within the wave.

ID refused me, said I failed "internal security checks"; despite asking the question wtf!!?? They havent bothered to reply.

I ended up with ID mobile which is CarPhoneWhorehouse piggy backing on 3. Checked the coverage maps and 3 were the only ones getting 3G to my new house.

 

Got it via a deals website, 300min, unlimited texts and 2G of data for £7.50 on a 1 month contract.

 

I needed the data while Plusnet fannied about not turning my BB on.

 

AS far as I'm aware 5G power outputs will be the same or lower than 3/4G. Doesn't matter how much EM you're being hit by, what matters is the energy within the wave.

But if they run 2.5G, Edge, 3G, 4G and 5G concurrently during an overlap period, as they have been doing already with 2.5 - 4G for the last  8 years  and 2.5 - 3G for the last  18 years. . . how much energy will that be ? 

 

Nick