Gearbox noise, low oil?

[dm222]

Hello,

Not a fabia but I believe it's the same 5 speed gearbox (02T), does anyone know wich could be the cause for this?

Noticed my gearbox is whinning 

car has 135k kms, oil has never been changed because dealer said it's not to change.

 

 

 

from 00:09

Thanks

Edited 11 October, 2016 by dm222

[KenONeill]

Well, I can't hear any gear noise (with volume set at 100 of 100) in your video.

 

I can say that there is nothing wrong with changing gear oil (but most garages hate doing it because used gear oil stinks to high heaven).

[dm222]

Well, I can't hear any gear noise (with volume set at 100 of 100) in your video.

 

I can say that there is nothing wrong with changing gear oil (but most garages hate doing it because used gear oil stinks to high heaven).

 

 

All the noise that it's making after 00:09 comes from the gearbox. On neutral is silent.

 

I plan to do it myself.

Edited 12 October, 2016 by dm222

[Phil-E]

A gear oil change is certainly the cheapest and easiest thing to try first.

 

And VAGs attitude (other manufacturers at fault too) towards gear oil changes saying "sealed for life" is total rubbish. Like any oil it breaks down over time and stops doing what it's supposed to do.

 

I know a gear oil change cured a whine many years ago on my Felicia 1.3.

[dm222]

Thanks for the feedbacks. I thinking about changing it.

[Clunkclick]

I have a 1.4 16v  Fabia with just over 62K on the clock with me from new.

 

My main dealer too didn't change the gearbox oil for 11 years because its not in the service schedule for the car.

 

Skoda say that the gearbox is sealed for life ?  Whatever that means - I think its  marketing term meaning once they've got your money they don't give a XXXX.

 

In the old days, when car manufacturers and dealers wern't as two-faced as they are today, the service schedule for say a VW Golf 1.1 1981 reg said, change every 4 years or 40,000 miles.

 

At the 11 year, 58,000 mile point (!!) I asked the dealer to change  the gearbox oil after first confirming with Skoda Customer/Technical this was OK. This was indicated because the gear change was gettinga little resistant, and their had been since the 30,000 mile mark a small oil leak from the input shaft oil seal that had been dribbling down into the clutch bell-housing and thence on to the rod.

 

Immediately it was changed because the oil lost through leakage was replaced the gearchange became much smoother. But a year on, the clean fluid has exposed wear in the input shaft bearing - evidenced by  whining in neutral and in drive, only goes away when you depress the clutch.

 

And my car is now loosing gear oil in quantity through the input shaft oil seal to such great extent that its marking where I park and you can smell the hot oil as you exit the vehicle.

 

So, if you are getting whining with dirty gear oil, expect it to get a lot worse with clean oil.

 

Eventually, the wear on the bearing will get so great that the gears on the two main shafts will start not meshing properly and then biting chunks out of each other. At which point your into either an exchange box or a rebuild at £900.

 

I don't think most dealers would know how to re-build or be fagged to do it - so, at best they might send it away to a specialist and at worst say they won't do it.

 

 

Nick

 

 

[sepulchrave]

Thanks for the feedbacks. I thinking about changing it.

 

Just top it up if it's low, changing it won't do a damn thing unless you put really thick oil in there which will quieten it down but won't fix the mechanical damage already done.

[dm222]

now I'm thinking twice about it 

[sepulchrave]

now I'm thinking twice about it 

 

Hey, at least you're actually thinking!

[felicia16v]

It is quite common for the bearings to fail in these 02t gearboxes. The main bearings between 4th/5th are 2rs seals anyway so they are sealed from the gearbox oil. It is a simple box to split and rebuild if you have a bit of mechanical ability too.

[Clunkclick]

Isn't sticking higher viscosity oil in as a "Solution" just a fallacy  - possibly promoted by the marketing brigade at Skoda  as crude damage limitation ?

 

Its cosmetic i.e. the excess wear has already taken place, all the thicker oil does is mask the sound  of the worn components  !

 

It won't stop further wear, in fact, it might actually promote it, as less fluid higher viscousity oil won't be getting to the areas it should.

 

I'd rather have a whining/rattling gearbox because you can gauge by the severity of the noise if wear is getting worse and therfore have notice of imminent catastrophic  failure.

 

And, if you masked the sound, given the prevalence of sod's law (More prevalent with Skoda than any where else ?), you don't need to ask where the gearbox will catastrophically fail - it will always be  on that long journey, in the middle of a foreign holiday, and where there's no mobile signal.

 

Unfortunately no amount of meele mouthed, two-faced advice from the creepoids at Skoda, motor dealers or on fora is going to change that.

 

 

Nick

Edited 14 October, 2016 by Clunkclick

[TMB]

Isn't sticking higher viscosity oil in as a "Solution" just a fallacy  - possibly promoted by the marketing brigade at Skoda  as crude damage limitation ?

 

 

What makes you think anyone at Skoda is recommending using thicker oil?

[Clunkclick]

That's quite a reaction to the qualification "Possibly" .

 

Its self-eivident nowadays that most organisations, both in the private and public sector, . have well established and very active Public Relations departmenrs, both at top-level and in the lower level subsidaries whose aim is to promote a positive image of the brand  ("The thing they put on livestock") and  to bat away any negative stories.  For one thing, it's the latest thing in middle-class job creation. 

 

They'd be all over this like a rash. And they have been known to engage third parties and stooges to promote their cause.

 

That said, over seeing this site is probably the office boy's job at Skoda PR.

 

I would have thought that a web site like this, if it isn't already within their domain of control would be a target.

 

Of course the Engineers at Skoda  couldn't  officially promote putting thicker oil in a gearbox to cosemetically conceal a fault. Their professional reputation would be in tatters - that's almost Arfur Daly and sawdust !  But they could use a PR stooge to suggest that, couldn't they, and get-off the hook scot free if there was any comeback!

 

N'est ce pas ?

 

 

N  

Edited 15 October, 2016 by Clunkclick

[sepulchrave]

That's quite a reaction to the qualification "Possibly" .

 

Its self-eivident nowadays that most organisations, both in the private and public sector, . have well established and very active Public Relations departmenrs, both at top-level and in the lower level subsidaries whose aim is to promote a positive image of the brand  ("The thing they put on livestock") and  to bat away any negative stories.  For one thing, it's the latest thing in middle-class job creation. 

 

They'd be all over this like a rash. And they have been known to engage third parties and stooges to promote their cause.

 

That said, over seeing this site is probably the office boy's job at Skoda PR.

 

I would have thought that a web site like this, if it isn't already within their domain of control would be a target.

 

Of course the Engineers at Skoda  couldn't  officially promote putting thicker oil in a gearbox to cosemetically conceal a fault. Their professional reputation would be in tatters - that's almost Arfur Daly and sawdust !  But they could use a PR stooge to suggest that, couldn't they, and get-off the hook scot free if there was any comeback!

 

N'est ce pas ?

 

 

N  

 

Well I, for one, will not being coming down that particular rabbit hole with you. Perhaps you could start a chat room and call yourselves the Lone Gunmen or somesuch?

[Clunkclick]

Well I, for one, will not being coming down that particular rabbit hole with you. Perhaps you could start a chat room and call yourselves the Lone Gunmen or somesuch?

And Vlad Putin has no interest in Syria ? Simples ! Right .

 

Micromanagement rules OK !

 

Yeah.

 

Nick

Edited 15 October, 2016 by Clunkclick

[chris-H]

Wow, heavy s@!t..... Have I just entered the matrix