So to confirm, its normal for them to come one then... LOL

 

Thanks

Good that all is well and the manufacturer gave drivers the lights they want, even though many might not know they have them or even what they are doing.

Some might even buy a 'Previously Owned car' and have no idea what bulbs are now in lights that come on automatically, but then no worries, nobody is objecting.

 

On another point on Engineers and Regulators, maybe they are very clued up and would always get things right.

Obviously 11 million vehicles with Defeat Devices was just an oversight, something that slipped past Engineers & Regulators for a few years.

But thats something totally different. Just getting the Low emissions & good economy as the market wanted.

Instead of using the Engineering Skills to perfect what is required do it quickly and cheaply.

Like Cornering Lights, just use Fog Lights, no harm done, nobody died.

So to confirm, its normal for them to come one then... LOL

 

Thanks

 

 

Er.........................................yes

 

Ignore the crap from post #5 to #25 

 

thank you.

The point being that the design has to recognise the variability in understanding and the potential for misuse. 

 

The matter of VW and emissions is a completely different animal. Given that just about every diesel engine on the road has systems which alter the emission controls 'on the road' and that everyone knows the tests are not representative of real life then one might argue that VW were unfortunate in choosing the method they did to'cheat' the tests. Conspiracy or **** up--you choose. I am not trying to defend VW in their actions but just saying it is a rather different scenario.

 

Anyway there is no way to convince the cynics so best left there methinks. Perhaps we should turn our attention to the idiots who 'flash' their high beams at people just because they feel they have been 'blinded' by the idiot coming the other way or by their rear fog lamps. Maybe we should not have high beams at all 

Edited 9 November, 20169 yr by Sagalout

The point being that the design has to recognise the variability in understanding and the potential for misuse. 

 

The matter of VW and emissions is a completely different animal. Given that just about every diesel engine on the road has systems which alter the emission controls 'on the road' and that everyone knows the tests are not representative of real life then one might argue that VW were unfortunate in choosing the method they did to'cheat' the tests. Conspiracy or **** up--you choose. I am not trying to defend VW in their actions but just saying it is a rather different scenario.

 

Anyway there is no way to convince the cynics so best left there methinks. Perhaps we should turn our attention to the idiots who 'flash' their high beams at people just because they feel they have been 'blinded' by the idiot coming the other way or by their rear fog lamps. Maybe we should not have high beams at all 

Or just withdraw the licence of anyone who thinks that they can see better because there is a bright object in their near field. That would include you apparently.

"Because "shining bright lights into your near field of vision" is such a great way of increasing how far you can see. "

 

Is it about how far I can see or how wide an area can be illuminated? 

 

Anyhow, enough fun I think we have hijacked this thread for long enough.

Edited 9 November, 20169 yr by Sagalout

Do you never get dazzled while sitting at traffic lights or a junction with different levels and someone with Cornering Fogs and uprated bulbs just carries out a move that Sidelights & Dipped beams are all that is needed.

Or at temp traffic lights and you drive up the single lane in the dark and the first car in the queue waiting turns the steering putting on a Fog Light.

I see it often and the extra lighting can stop the driver moving seeing pedestrians , cyclists etc.

 

Nothing wrong with additional lighting where required, but lighting that operates at inappropriate time or without the driver even aware is an issue.

Off topic but Sagalout I can't read any of your posts with the silly font you are using.

Just noticed our Rapid Spaceback also does

Off topic but Sagalout I can't read any of your posts with the silly font you are using.

So it's not just me then!

I don't see how having 55w lights flashing on and off every time you move the steering (or select reverse gear) is compatible with Rules 114, 226 and 236?

 

In what way? There should be no dazzle if that light is in good condition and the correct alignment/beam pattern/intensity, just like travelling towards traffic with 55w dipped beams on shouldn't cause any issues...

 

Or just withdraw the licence of anyone who thinks that they can see better because there is a bright object in their near field.

 

It surely depends where the object is...

 

Cornering lights should only be active at 40kph or less and the total thinking/braking distance at that speed is about 17m, at least based on the highway code figures. I'm not sure of the exact horizontal cut-off value for fog alignment so taking the valid range for headlights below 850mm:

- For a horizontal cut-off at 0.5% a fog light would need to be ~86mm above ground level

- For a horizontal cut-off at 2.75% a fog light would need to be ~469mm above ground level

 

That seems a realistic range and having extra light in those areas, especially to the left/right of the main headlights can be very useful to highlight potential dangers with time to react.

 

Do you never get dazzled while sitting at traffic lights or a junction with different levels and someone with Cornering Fogs and uprated bulbs just carries out a move that Sidelights & Dipped beams are all that is needed.

Or at temp traffic lights and you drive up the single lane in the dark and the first car in the queue waiting turns the steering putting on a Fog Light.

I see it often and the extra lighting can stop the driver moving seeing pedestrians , cyclists etc.

I would argue it's the up-rated bulbs that are at fault

 

I understand what you're saying but I would expect dazzled from the headlights as well in that scenario as the fog cut-off should be below the dipped cut-off regardless of distance.

 

 

I find these much more common than dazzling fogs or cornering lights:

- rear fogs being left on

- keeping the brake lights on when stationary in queues

- not manually adjusting the headlight range on loaded vehicles

- badly aligned headlights (one high, one low)

- driving with one headlight and the other fog light

 

The highway code has rules which should prevent all these scenarios but are routinely ignored...

My apologies to those who disliked the font. I use it regularly everywhere else without problems. I have edited my previous but couldn't select the default font for them.

 

This is the standard default on the forum so I hope this is readable.  Or perhaps have you simply been blinded by one of those devils with cornering lights  :peek:  

Edited 9 November, 20169 yr by Sagalout

These are the kind of thing that there are on the roads, and actually 'Fog Lights' is not what they really are, and as for cornering lights that is stretching things a bit because of the actual position.  If there is need to light up to get round a corner and no other road users to be dazzled you have full beams.

But people that need to go get their eyes tested seem to like them, so who is to worry,

Many have brighter lights and can help the visually impaired by lighting their way even better for them.

 

The thread started was about them automatically coming on as a driver reverses, and a driver that never knew they did that.

and what i raised is that they do not even have a switch that can just switch them off. They are just coming on regardless of need.

Well a Warning light should show on the dash, and an off switch should fall easily to hand IMO.

Edited 9 November, 20169 yr by Offski

These are the kind of thing that there are on the roads

 

They look terrible in that video.

 

I fear it could be alignment, dirty lenses, incorrectly fitted/spec'ed bulbs or just a poor camera on the phone used. It certainly doesn't match my experience on the road.

 

In this video they look fine on a similar yeti with a much lower view point, or at least they do to me.

 

Edited 9 November, 20169 yr by langers2k

Uprated bulbs.

Maybe look at enthusiasts forums like Briskoda, you will see the visually impaired and stylee car owners that need to uprate 'Fog LIghts'.

 

Skoda face lift the car, move the lights, different thing. 

Edited 9 November, 20169 yr by Offski

Are there actually any UK Yeti that have that configuration/position of front lights?

 

I am not doubting that there are cars out there with all sorts of mods that have changed the design as built and in most cases place the users at risk of a hand on their shoulder. However, in my opinion that isn't an argument for not having properly designed and constructed lighting systems that include cornering lights.

 

I also promise you that having full beam on as I turn into my narrow country lane does not illuminate the corner anywhere near the same as the cornering light.

Many of us have and drive cars with Cornering Lights, Cornering DRL's, Fog lights, even Spot Lights, 

it does not mean that all of us have them enabled if they know they can be a PITA to others.

 

On off switches have been available for decades, even back to the days that many of us first fitted spots, fogs and a spot at the rear as well.

The world never got darker in the last 5 decades and the NSL on back roads never increased.

Edited 9 November, 20169 yr by Offski

I am going to bed.

 

 

In what way? There should be no dazzle if that light is in good condition and the correct alignment/beam pattern/intensity, just like travelling towards traffic with 55w dipped beams on shouldn't cause any issues...

 

Just to pick out the most glaringly (no pun intended) obvious points:-

1. The flame war kicked off because some people do find them dazzling.
2. Using lights that low set is a breach of the Motor Vehicle Lighting regulations, the cited rules, and lays the driver open to charges of "driving without due consideration for other road users" (or possibly even "...due care and attention for..." unless there is "fog or falling snow" reducing vision to under 100m.

& sorry for so OT from Reversing & Fog lights coming on.

 

Here is another example where a MOT tester a professional does not even know what the sidelights are on a Mk2 vRS Fabia. * post#6

And as for the Police and the previous linked thread stopping a driver in 2014.

That was one example of a stop, my stop had a VOSA (DVSA) examiner & a Police Officer looking like real muppets when an other vRS was pulled in and his lights were the same as mine, only difference was it was a newer model and no switch to switch off the DRL's.

Then the rest of the vRS's on the run drove past tooting and waving.  True story.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/415894-projector-headlight-bulbs

Edited 10 November, 20169 yr by Offski

The flame war kicked off because some people do find them dazzling.

I though it was staying pretty civil so far...

 

I'm all against dazzling lights but the function of the light isn't the issue. I believe most glare is down to poorly maintained or modified lighting that is out of spec.

 

Using lights that low set is a breach of the Motor Vehicle Lighting regulations, the cited rules, and lays the driver open to charges of "driving without due consideration for other road users" (or possibly even "...due care and attention for..." unless there is "fog or falling snow" reducing vision to under 100m.

The Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1989 and Highway Code rules have little bearing on the use of cornering lights, only fog lights.

 

Sharing the same lamp doesn't make it a fog lamp all the time, when used as a cornering light it can be used regardless of weather.

 

Many of us have and drive cars with Cornering Lights, Cornering DRL's, Fog lights, even Spot Lights, it does not mean that all of us have them enabled if they know they can be a PITA to others.

 

Agreed, a simple on/off switch would be great!

 

Here is another example where a MOT tester a professional does not even know what the sidelights are on a Mk2 vRS Fabia. * post#6

And as for the Police and the previous linked thread stopping a driver in 2014.

 

Multi function lighting can be confusing when it's used in a 'new' way, even more so when cars are fitted with bulbs that aren't even connected! Still, you got an MOT and future users of that garage should have a better experience for it

 

The Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1989 and Highway Code rules have little bearing on the use of cornering lights, only fog lights.

 

Sharing the same lamp doesn't make it a fog lamp all the time, when used as a cornering light it can be used regardless of weather.

They do describe an area on the vehicle where any "predominantly white" (or yellow) lamp over 10W power can only be a "fog light" and subject to the rules of operation applying to them.

Since so-called "cornering lights" do not exist in those regulations, they should be treated as illegal, at least until proven otherwise by case law. (I note that the LH one might be legal if visibility is under 100m, but the RH one would be illegal even then)

Skoda / 'Simply Clever'.

 

There is a funny thing with Skoda. They built a 132kw Twincharger car with really really poor lights,

and they never fitted front Fog Lights or even offered them as an option.

But they put in the Configurator & Brochures and the cars spec that they had Front Fog lights, and to this very day over 6 years later Skoda Main Dealer salespeople will tell you they have front fog light, 

but if you ask them to switch them on they struggle.

 

As for Skoda Engineering.

Skoda built a Hatch & Estate but with the same engines as the 3 sister cars from VW, Seat & Audi the Skoda Harch was still lighter than even the Skoda Estate.

So Skoda Designed & Manufactured 25 kg of ballast and fitted it to the rear of the Hatch on the crash bar.

That gave the Skodas a higher VED band than the heavier Sister Cars and the salespeople told buyers the Estate was 5 kg lighter, and was faster.

The Skoda hatches front end goes light under acceleration, handles not as well but is still nippy, just with totally crap lights, 

then Skoda put on even crappier lights but they looked good as a black pack.

They do describe an area on the vehicle where any "predominantly white" (or yellow) lamp over 10W power can only be a "fog light" and subject to the rules of operation applying to them.

Since so-called "cornering lights" do not exist in those regulations, they should be treated as illegal, at least until proven otherwise by case law. (I note that the LH one might be legal if visibility is under 100m, but the RH one would be illegal even then)

 

The ECE regs supersede the Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1989 and do define cornering lights.

 

It's the same situation with any LED or HID lighting, it's not mentioned in the Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1989 so illegal by your definition, but all are covered in the ECE regs, making them legal for use on UK roads.

My apologies to those who disliked the font. I use it regularly everywhere else without problems. I have edited my previous but couldn't select the default font for them.

This is the standard default on the forum so I hope this is readable. Or perhaps have you simply been blinded by one of those devils with cornering lights :peek:

Thank you Sagalout, you've made an old man very happy!