and moved over to Michelin Cross Climates (not a moment too soon, judging by the weather forecast!).

 

I'd typically ran winter tyres / 16" steel rims November - March, but a recent sale in Cost-co (-£60), coinciding with the original tyres (P Zero's) wearing out prompted me to buy a full-set of Michelin Cross Climates (225/50/17 98W XL).

 

As previously mentioned on here, they are considerably quieter than the older tyres and seem surefooted in the cold / wet. Early (first few hundred miles) indications are therefore positive.

 

I'll provide further feed-back as / when mileage increases.

 

Of note my old winter tyre package is now up for grabs: http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/416260-skoda-yeti-winter-tyre-package-16-steel-rims-tyres/

Edited 12 November, 20169 yr by pinkpanther

Virtually a 1000 miles now since the Cross Climates were fitted.

 

As has been widely reported they are quiet and surefooted in the cold / wet (no snow / ice as yet)

 

Owing to tyre availability, it was neccesary to move up to 98 XL, but I've haven't found any increased harshness, compared with the original 94W (non XL) P Zero's.

 

I note this week's Autoexpress All Season Tyre review places them 3rd overall (behind Goodyear Vector 4 Seasons & Nokian Weathproof) - here: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/accessories-tyres/92863/all-season-tyres-test-20162017-top-all-weather-tyres-tested

 

Given they're advertised as a summer tyre with "winter capability", it perhaps isn't suprising to see they perform better in the dry, rather than snow. Encouraged by the wet performance though (with the exception of their poor resistance to Aqua-planing).

 

Overall a little frustrated to read I could probably have done better with the Goodyear's

Edited 12 November, 20169 yr by pinkpanther

In the same article the Goodyear Ultragrips get 100.7% and beats everything > http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/accessories-tyres/92871/winter-tyre-goodyear-ultragrip-performance-gen-1

In the same article the Goodyear Ultragrips get 100.7% and beats everything > http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/accessories-tyres/92871/winter-tyre-goodyear-ultragrip-performance-gen-1

 

Hi Clive

 

I do have a full set of 16" steel rims & winter tyres and had religously swopped them over every November - March (since 2011).

 

The irony is there hasn't been any significant snow fall for several years now (East Midlands), so my yearly ritual of changing between winter / summer rubber has, in all likliehood, been a little overkill for my local weather condtions.

 

The advent of an all season tyre, which stand comparison (within 2-3% across all measured parameters) with full winter tyres presented an opportunity to finally consign the yearly tyre swopping ritual to history :thumbup: 

 

I also condered my 5 year old / 40% worn Hankook Winter i'cept W310 tyres would probably perform less well than a new set of Cross Climates.

 

Time will tell, although looking at a range of online reviews the Cross Climates should (hopefully) be equal to anything I'm likely to come across in the UK.

 

They came out around 20% cheaper (for a full set fully fitted) than the G2 Goodyear Vector 4Seasons.

Edited 12 November, 20169 yr by pinkpanther

The advent of an all season tyre, which stand comparison (within 2-3% across all measured parameters) with full winter tyres presented an opportunity to finally consign the yearly tyre swopping ritual to history :thumbup: 

 

Can't argue with that mate  :thumbup:

 

Oh and why does your text have to be bigger and bolder than anybody else's 

Can't argue with that mate  :thumbup:

 

Oh and why does your text have to be bigger and bolder than anybody else's 

 

My poor eyesight!

My poor eyesight!

 

lol 

Can't argue with that mate  :thumbup:

 

Oh and why does your text have to be bigger and bolder than anybody else's 

 

 

My poor eyesight!

 

 

lol 

 

...........and you drive   

In the same article the Goodyear Ultragrips get 100.7% and beats everything > http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/accessories-tyres/92871/winter-tyre-goodyear-ultragrip-performance-gen-1

Not really, look at the difference in the dry between summer tyre tested dry braking at 113.5% whilst the Ultragrips achieved 89.4%, that's several metres in an emergency stop and the difference between a near miss and a bad shunt.

AutoExpress sum up by saying that despite the improvement in multi-climate tyres it really is best to fit summer tyres for the summer and winter tyres for the winter. I am sure the next generation of multi-climate tyres will see improvements and gradually the differences will be closed. At the moment I would rather go with the Michelin Cross Climates where dry braking is 100%. It will be interesting to see how the new Cross Climate + tyres perform when available. 

At the moment I will stick with swapping wheel/tyres in the Spring and Autumn, got it down to 40 Minutes and I get to have a look at brake pads etc.

Edited 12 November, 20169 yr by Expatman

Not really, look at the difference in the dry between summer tyre tested dry braking at 113.5% whilst the Ultragrips achieved 89.4%, that's several metres in an emergency stop and the difference between a near miss and a bad shunt.

AutoExpress sum up by saying that despite the improvement in multi-climate tyres it really is best to fit summer tyres for the summer and winter tyres for the winter. I am sure the next generation of multi-climate tyres will see improvements and gradually the differences will be closed. At the moment I would rather go with the Michelin Cross Climates where dry braking is 100%. It will be interesting to see how the new Cross Climate + tyres perform when available. 

At the moment I will stick with swapping wheel/tyres in the Spring and Autumn, got it down to 40 Minutes and I get to have a look at brake pads etc.

 

Yeah but I'm running Ultragrip winter tyres mate , so I had to try argue the case for them 

Yeah but I'm running Ultragrip winter tyres mate , so I had to try argue the case for them 

Fair enough.