Not going to start a huge debate about which remap is better (Revo or Jabba) as I guess it has already been discussed once or twice.

My question is what would be better, more torque and less BHP or the other way round? Revo and Jabba offer the following fiqures for a remap, Revo - 170 BHP & 380 Nm and Jabbasport - 195 BHP & 358 Nm.

Assuming those figures are acurate, what would you guys prefer, the torque or BHP????

Opinions or voting through the poll.

Which engine?

depends where abouts in the rev rage the power is. too much torque low down will just spin the wheels to much . then again the low down torque will give you the kick in the back. its a hard one i think???

plus all the torque will wear ya cluch quicker. its a vrs furby right?

Superb 1.9TDI is the subject car.

Car and engine are not really important for this.

I would want to see the power and torque graph for each. Nice and easy to get one high figure but I would choose the one with a linear increasing power line and a flat torque curve.

Area under the power curve is what you should really be looking for

I also dont think that 22Nm would make a noticeable difference but 25bhp horsepower would. If it was a standard car. Again its all down to the map.

But if you had two standard cars with those power and torque figures, then the 195bhp car would be quicker in very single situation imagineable.

Big torque, big barge = bye bye clutch.

What's the price difference on these two mods?

More BHP all the way. At the end of the day, it's all about the power output to the wheels.

Revo = £468

Jabba = £425 with before & after RR

......Assuming those figures are acurate, what would you guys prefer, the torque or BHP????...........

.......and there's the problem. You need to compare figures on the RR on the same day, the figures you quote are totally unrelated. If you haven't seen it there's quite a few graphs and figures for remapped 130PD's here: http://www.briskoda.net/forums/jbs-auto-designs/25772-jbs-briskoda-rr-day-3-4-05-results.html

Looking at those results you'll see the case is actually opposite to what your poll suggests with Jabba'd cars making more torque but less power.

What I find confusing is I thought torque and BHP were a feature of each other? I.e if BHP was pushed up 25% so torque would follow likewise? :confused:

I don't see how (to a great degree) either BHP or torque can be given priority come remap time. You put BHP up a horsepower, torque rises by 1.5 lb/ft, and so on.

Correct me if I'm talking about my a55 please.

bhp goes up with rpm, so you could have a MASSIVE torque spike at the beginning of the curve with very low bhp, and dropping torque but bhp going up rapidly.

It kinda depends on the way the curve goes. Problem is the peak torque and peak bhp tend to be at pretty different revs, which probably explains it.

In any case, both maps are probably excellent in reality

I guess I meant perhaps in particular the peak torque and peak BHP.

i.e getting a peak power of +20bhp, but -50 lb/ft with one remap and another remap getting -20bhp but +50 lb/ft. I can't see this scenario to be honest.

Spot on about the curves and the like. Sure both are very good. Its just the peak power/torque differences I can't quite make out.

I guess I meant perhaps in particular the peak torque and peak BHP.

i.e getting a peak power of +20bhp' date=' but -50 lb/ft with one remap and another remap getting -20bhp but +50 lb/ft. I can't see this scenario to be honest.

Spot on about the curves and the like. Sure both are very good. Its just the peak power/torque differences I can't quite make out.[/quote']

As already said the peaks are at different revs. The relationship between bhp and torque is BHP=Torque(ftlb) X revs/5252. So the higher the torque at higher revs the higher the bhp.

There is an old saying.....torque wins races,horsepower sells cars!

There is an old saying.....torque wins races,horsepower sells cars!

Briskoda saying....torque kills clutches, horsepower is pub torque.

On Awesome's rollers a REVO'd PD 130 and Jabba'd PD130 makes around the same bhp figures. Not sure on torque.

Torque without revs is like an impotent schlong.

There is an old saying.....torque wins races,horsepower sells cars!

What a load of rubbish! Lets see:

We'll take an average car from here. Lets say 185bhp and 300Nm Torque.

GSXR 750 with approx 160bhp and 95lb/ft torque.

I wonder which would win. Almost any type of race you like and the bike is gonna kick ***. BHP is what wins races not torque. Torque is what lets u do some overtaking on your local A road!

BHP is what wins races not torque. Torque is what lets u do some overtaking on your local A road!

BHP doesn't win races, otherwise the bike wouldn't be winning with a mere 160bhp. There are so many factors, including weight, gear ratios and also the rev range over which that power is delivered!

If torque was the be all and end all in overtaking ability, then why are buses and lorries so poor at it and why is a bike with only 95lb/ft so good?

Chris

Yeh sorry I went into rant mode without really thinking through what I was saying. All of the above is indeed correct.

Chris and I spoke about this the other day, and we both have the same opinion.

You want more torque? You got it. Sacrifice? Power. And likewise. With more torque, you'll have that instant pull once you floor it but past its peak, it will only be a sensation that the car is flying.

A car with 300Nm and 130bhp is not going to beat a car with 200bhp and 200Nm in a race. Sure, if you're both travelling at 50km/h and you floor the 300Nm car, it will take off much faster than the 200Nm car, but you'll only be playing max with the torque at 130bhp at a low rev range, while the 200Nm car has 70bhp more to play with over a much wider rev range...therefore, once it picks up the momentum, it will zoom past you like a motha fukka

Guess which cars are being compared?

Guess which cars are being compared?

Fabia vrs vs. Civic type R