20 minutes ago, Awayoffski said:

^^^ That was what VW set out to get with the 1.4TSI 125ps Twinchargers and they achieved that. 

Sadly penny pinching ruined that and now means they discontinued manufacturing them. 

They failed with the 160ps because of the timing chains then pushed them to 180/185ps and that was even worse.

No doubt they will be building similar again in the future but with Electric Superchargers and better engine components.

 

 

 

Twin chargers only used on the more powerfull versions of the 1.4tsi but not the lower powered l22-125ps versiions. I think the only Skoda the twincharger was used in was the 1.4 Fabia VRS

 

Yes you are correct just in the 1.4TSI Fabia vRS.  I was not saying they were the same as other Skoda 1.4TSI just that they were designed to give the power and torque of the 5 and 6 cylinder VW Engines as were in the Golf, and they achieved that.

They were used in lowered powered 1.4 TSI like the Seat Ibiza FR 150ps as well as VW's.

Edited 11 March, 20179 yr by Awayoffski

On 3/9/2017 at 16:41, Octy0GG said:

 

 

Other thing that is really noticeable was that the 1.9 PD was economical regardless of journey, speed, acceleration, hills, stop/start, temperature, load, prevailing wind etc. yes all these things would have some impact but not that much. The 1.4 TSI can be economical but only for that ideal journey.

 

I agree with this, my old 1.9pd100 Superb always did about 50mpg whereas with my 1.4tsi EA111 Superb II  the overall average is about 46mpg but this is very sensitive to load, driving style,  head-wind, hills etc One tankfull  was as low as 37/38mpg (fully laden high speed journey through France).

Edited 11 March, 20179 yr by bigjohn

On 3/9/2017 at 09:31, Awayoffski said:

'All things being equal'  like driving your vehicle for more than 20 miles at a time and then driving the same speeds the diesel should really show a better economy by using less diesel than a petrol vehicle of much the same weight.

 

So getting 600 miles from a tank holding the same amount of diesel as the petrol version getting 500 miles is good.

The issue is if the diesel is doing regens because it is not always being used long enough to be at an efficient operating temperature and that lovely low mpg then goes right out the window meaning that the diesel costs you as much in fuel as a petrol vehicle does.

So that is not 'Simply Clever',  buy the vehicles with the engine that suits your needs & uses and location location.

 

PS

As to VW Group 1.4 TSI / 1.4 TFSI , 1,4TSI ACT 1.4 TFSI COD.  1.2 TSI , 1.2 TFSI, 

VW know they are now accepting that the Real World MPG and emissions results from EU Testing and future tests show their cheating and this is why they are going to the 1.5 TSI ACT and 1.0 TSI.

Maybe Implausible / Irregular Co2 results to end. Maybe not.

 

VW never just cheated or used questionable means with TDI's during Emission testing of Euro 5 engine vehicles.

http://skoda.co.uk/pages/fuel-consumption-statement.aspx 

 

Almost all manufacturers's real life figures are worse than the official mpg figures

 

As for the 1.4tsi(pevious gen) - I can only speak from personal experience , the official for mine is a combined figure of 47.9 but I get 46mpg. I'm delighted with that

Yes, that is the MPG.  The 1.4TSI Twinchargers can equal or better EU Test results as well while driving on real roads.

The Co2 figures were what VW, SEAT & Audi had made 'Mistakes' with the results of during testing and when giving the results.

51 minutes ago, Awayoffski said:

Yes, that is the MPG.  The 1.4TSI Twinchargers can equal or better EU Test results as well while driving on real roads.

The Co2 figures were what VW, SEAT & Audi had made 'Mistakes' with the results of during testing and when giving the results.

Fair enough

 

I always thought co2 and mpg were related (chicken in pies out). Spritmonitor always quotes a co2 figure relating to your fuel consumption which aren't far off what is quoted on my v5

3 hours ago, bigjohn said:

Fair enough

 

I always thought co2 and mpg were related (chicken in pies out). Spritmonitor always quotes a co2 figure relating to your fuel consumption which aren't far off what is quoted on my v5

I think your assumption is correct to all intents an purposes since most modern engines operate at similar efficiencies.

An extreme example where this is not true would be an old car with an over-rich engine where you can smell the raw fuel from the exhaust.

The consumption would be high, the co2 relatively low compared to fuel used because of unburnt hydrocarbons. Of course it is breaking all sorts of other rules.

 

With regard to Awayoffski's claims regarding revised co2 outputs, I had not heard that much in the Australian press which was focussed more on dieselgate.

I was aware in the immediate post-dieselgate period with new CEO when VW went into a panic 'must tell all phase', that a whistleblower had claimed that some consumption tests had been fixed with higher than normal tyre pressures (or similar). VW immediately re-tested the affected vehicles and then issued a release saying that the original results had been confirmed and independently verified as being correct.

^^^ Did he actually say that, or that not as many as first suspected were wrong?

http://abc.net.au/news/2015-12-09/volkswagen-says-carbon-emissions-claims-proved-unfounded/7015654 

(Not proved unfounded,

**just "Allegations they lied were PROVED TO BE LARGELY UNFOUNDED"**,

as to the wrong Co2 test results, just not as many as VW first said, but then they left Audi and SEAT to make their own announcement.)  That is a play on words that causes readers to believe that they did nothing wrong.

Testing is done by independents on behalf of the Manufacturers and those facilities can be the Manufacturers, 

Independents working on behalf of an Investigation can and do find something very different, as happened to be the case 

with 'The Fix' which then got suspended, but then that is back to the Euro 5 TDI NoX Scandal.

Maybe also the DSG ongoing investigations in the US and that software.

 

Not my claims on the Irregularities/Implausible results then the Co2 Changes, and there were vehicles bought back including Mk7 Golf R's.

Not heard where the investigations have gone with the Euro 6 Audi A3 2.0TDI's just this year.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/vw-emissions-scandal-audi-and-seat-deny-co2-cover 

http://motor1.com/news/131340/audi-a3-emissions-cheating 

 

VW emissions scandal_ Audi and Seat deny CO2 cover-up _ Autocar.mhtml

Edited 13 March, 20179 yr by Awayoffski

So I got the car!

 

Actually when I went to trade my Focus in I didn't realise my MOT was 3 weeks out of date so had to get that fixed first - red face time! Unfortunately the afternoon I got the car I noticed there were 3 hairline scratches and a dent in the read driver door so I'm hopefully taking it to the garage to get it looked at. 

 

It's brilliant! I'll start with the only two negatives compared to the Focus. 

 

- the handling is stiffer and it doesn't lean into the bends like the Focus did. The Focus drive like a rally car! However if it means I'm driving slower and safer around bends, that's probably a good thing. 

 

- there's a tad more noise when driving over cobbles and when the rear windows are down (it's like a thrumming sound) which I never experienced before. 

 

Loads of good things!

 

- mpg on my usual journey (approx 15 mile motorway and 20 mile bypass) is ~48mpg so far. The Focus was 37mpg (long-term) so will keep monitoring this. That was using eco mode. So that brings my fuel bill down from £220 to £170 a month. With 1.6iDTEC Honda the real mpg would have been ~66mpg giving about £130 a month taking into account slightly higher diesel price, but then the car cost more as well. Only £40 a month difference without any "diesel worries" (I'll wait a few years to see what happens with diesel). In town the mpg will be less. I think I saw 37mpg or so but will need to check.

 

- Looks great inside and out (have definitely had looks from other drivers). Love the little lights in the side mirrors when indicating and inside the door so if you open the door at night people can see that! There's also a little light on the rear-view mirror which I've no idea what it is yet. In fact I've yet to figure out what a lot of things are!

 

- It is POWERFUL. The turbo is amazing. I'm not one to jump off the racing line but some drivers have been left embarrassed going against this machine. However I can't see myself using the turbo often. For this reason I have slight doubts as to whether 1.2 would have been better (probably could have got closer to 52mpg at a guess) but it didn't come with the nice Elegance trim (though it was £2k cheaper). I'm ok for now  Have to say the 1L mpg numbers look VERY impressive. Would still be tempted by a 1.6 iDTEC 2017 Civic in years to come but with these high mp number for petrols which cost less and have lower repair costs.... the gap is really closing. 

 

- Cruise control is great. Never experienced that before! 

 

- Boot is cavernous with the pop-out for ski's, lots of little clips, the plastic (and velcro'd) bits to hold luggage in, and the tray can be nicely slid into a slot so it's not flailing around! 

 

- LOADS of nice features like the folding mirrors, ice scraper in the petrol cap (that's also where tyre pressure is, which is handy!), the infotainment is general is great (though the older sat nav I can't see myself using too much), lots of media slots, lovely leather seats (half-leather, half-suede), the little storage compartment near the light switch at the top and also under the arm rest... oh!! And also the skooshers for the screens... On the Focus these were mounted on the body and they move if ice or your scraper nudged them... annoying! On the Skoda, the front skooshers are under the hood so they're not nudged... and the rear windscreen skoosher seems to skoosh it along the length of the wiper so that it gets a full clean - absolutely brilliant, I have to say - really well thought out. 

 

 

Edited 24 March, 20179 yr by guitarman001

Good.

You will be using the Turbo every trip, that is a certainty. (if it stops working you will know about it.)

As to if you want a bit of extra acceleration then that is just up to you.

 

Have fun.

I assume the turbo is pretty rock solid - are they expensive to fix? 

Just curious - I'm not worried

Rock solid, and do not worry about having to fix.

I was just pointing out really without a turbo which comes in when it does the car would have no performance even for sedate driving, 

and not good economy.  The engine has the turbo operating as and when, you control the throttle pedal, more go go juice or less.

guitarman001,

 

thanks for starting an interesting post, warts and all and well done on the purchase of the 'new' car, let's hope it continues to be as enjoyable as first impressions appear to be

incidentlly the light on the rear view mirror indicates auto dim feature is selected there should be a small switch button under the mirror this turns the feature on or off

 

hopefully the car is sorted and whilst I hope the driving experience remains enjoyable I hope its uneventful and allows you to make the most of each and every day you have with your loved one #respect to you both but the phrase seems totally inadequate best wishes to you all hope you manage to make many memories 

Ah, there are two things I wanted to ask. 

 

The screen tells you when it needs to get serviced. Do you just go by that in general or get it serviced at time of MOT? I know it's a personal thing..

 

Also, when I put the accelerator down to the ground, if I push all the way in there is a "pop" feeling, almost like a little click. Does that make sense? Doesn't appear to do anything - not sure if I should be pushing all the way in like that!

7 minutes ago, guitarman001 said:

Ah, there are two things I wanted to ask. 

 

The screen tells you when it needs to get serviced. Do you just go by that in general or get it serviced at time of MOT? I know it's a personal thing..

 

Also, when I put the accelerator down to the ground, if I push all the way in there is a "pop" feeling, almost like a little click. Does that make sense? Doesn't appear to do anything - not sure if I should be pushing all the way in like that!

Hi Guitarman, to keep in warranty, I believe that VAG expect the owner to have the vehicle serviced within about one month / 1000 miles from when the service indicator lights up - depending on your average mileage, there are two service regimes - Fixed or Variable, If your mileage is around 10 K per year, or less, you should be on Fixed, annual servicing - did your dealer tell you how yours is set? 

47 minutes ago, Awayoffski said:

Good.

You will be using the Turbo every trip, that is a certainty. (if it stops working you will know about it.)

As to if you want a bit of extra acceleration then that is just up to you.

 

Have fun.

Hi Offski, re your previous comments on the TwinCharger, a new TC with an electric blower and a bigger turbo than currently fitted to the 1.4 TSI would be something worth seeing. Were the previous TwinCharger problems purely down to poor quality components? Hard to understand that, even if driven by the bean-counters, a potentially great engine was produced that way.   

I do about 13-15k miles per year. I'm not sure which I'm on... I bought this approved used with 24k miles on the clock. 

I think I'm just going to take it to my local garage - I've been advised to get the oil done every 10k miles though I don't know if I need some special brand. It's got one year extended warranty so I think no need to get it done within 1 month / 10k as you say? 

 

Thanks for your help everybody

Its possibly on Fixed Servicing - to maintain your warranty check that your choice of local garage is OK in regards to servicing. There is a particular standard of oil required for these vehicles and it is important - but I believe that it doesn't actually have to be VAG branded. I have seen Millers Oil recommended.  You should be able to find a reference to the correct oil on this forum, or you can down-load an online manual from Skoda. 

Warrior93, Euro 5 Emissions at 150PS and the Twincharger 1,390 cc engine was just fine, good coils and plugs, oil and fuel & software and the engine components coped even with the Crap Inlets that VW built like some cast drainpipes.

(Seat Ibiza FR 1.4TSI 150ps is a cracker built while they stopped building 14tsi 180ps Seat Ibiza Cupra 2012-2013.)

One spark plug never seemed to get coked & oiled up with the 150PS they built (Customer R&D as the new Engines / Engine Management was about to be introduced, SEAT Ibiza Cupra early 2013.

 

Bean Counters and Mr Beans & 3 Monkeys.  So upping the power / heat and using crap Long Life Oil and the wrong Injectors, Plugs, Coils and 

95 Octane fuel and mixtures rich when cold and lean often depending on throttle / Supercharger / Turbo /RPM was a disaster.

Loads of fun though.  The CTHE update did not fix the basic components being sh!tE.

http://revotechnik.com/support/technical/14tsi-twincharger-engine-issues 

 

 

Edited 24 March, 20179 yr by Awayoffski

If you look in the Car menu on the radio, it says when the service is next due in miles and days. Most are set to 10k miles or 1 year, some are on variable at approx each 18k miles.

 

As its a turbo engine you must use full synthetic oil approved to VW 504 or 507 standard. I think most would recommend an annual or 10k mile service regime, as clean oil will keep the engine and turbo healthy.

 

Make sure you check the oil regularly, as running low will damage the turbo. Also check all the other levels, coolant, screenwash, brake fluid, tyre pressures etc. if you adjust the tyre pressures you need to reset to TPMS monitoring system, which again is on the Car menu screen.

 

Some useful how to videos here:

 

http://www.skoda.co.uk/owners/caring-for-your-car/how-to-videos/

 

 

Hey Guitarman, congratulations, it sounds like the car is a good one if you are getting that sort of consumption straight off the bat.

I cannot see a mention if you got an automatic (DSG) or a manual, but since it is a pretty high specification I assume it is an auto?

You will probably get better consumption as you get used to it and experiment with the modes. Quite a few say they actually get better returns from 'Normal' mode with the DSG.

 

The thrumming from an open window (an aerodynamic effect a bit like blowing across a flute) can be quite bad but this is best relieved by cracking open a diagonally opposite window, you'll work out how much yourself.

The thing with the accelerator to the ground, well ummm, the thing is.... I've never actually done that! There I've said it and yes it is a little sad.

We'll let TMWNA answer that question because his pedal is permanently there.

 

Here in Australia they only do the fixed service 10k miles/or one year thing, probably because of our heat extremes and I tend to think it is not a bad thing anyway. As mentioned above the type of oil is very important and must comply with VW standards if anything does go wrong and there is any warranty left or you hope to get something out of Skoda. Hopefully that will never be tested.

 

 

Thanks for the info on oil type, guys! 

Also the tip on the windows - I'll try that. 

I'll also check the menu for service when I'm in the car after work. 

Will also check out those videos - the manual is just massive..!

 

FYI it's manual. Never used a 6-speed gearbox before and it's amazing how low a speed you shift up gear. I'll play around with the modes to see if I can increase that mpg even more. If think that's pretty damn good, though - 48mpg! Wow!

 

 

Peaked at 52mpg in eco mode doing 65mph avg on way back, about 51mpg on average. Will try normal and sport modes next week. Windows down reduced it a bit as does acceleration over climbs.

 

Forgot to say.. another cool thing is the front mats have clips on them so they're not flying all over the place - very well thought out.

 

I'm happy with 50+mpg I have to say..!!

Oh and I love cruise control. I can only imagine how good adaptive cruise control and dsg equipped cars are to drive..

On 3/7/2017 at 21:50, themanwithnoaim said:

The 1.4 TSI is £30  VED if you have the DSG

And the manual version, especially the s and se, according to all the ones for sale on auto trader