EGR fault today CR 170 DSG

[gav_is_con]

First time taken the car to work following the service on Friday, except a 2 mile trip Friday evening, plus refuel. 

 

Glow plug light flashing and loss of power up hill a mile or so from home. The EML light came on. Parked up restarted still had issue. Drive down M6 distinct lack  of power and EML on. Came back closer to home and called AA. 

 

VW Assist(I know odd) came out and read EGR and Turbo issue errors recently 22/6 and  EGR today @ 6.18. 

 

Going to take it to the same independent as for the DPF sensor recently 

 

Fearing a replacement EGR coming on. Sorry did not get codes from him. 

 

He he said EGR Falp was moving though. 

 

[gav_is_con]

Car dropped Erdington at a VAG specialist who cannot check until tomorrow. I also called up the franchise who had it Friday and had it triple checked that I did not have the emissions fix done when in.

 

I have read about lots of failures of EGR after the fix on hypermiler site. I covered the OBD port to prevent tampering and it had been removed. I have been told only to reset the service light.

 

My preference has been loaded onto the dealer as well as the Skoda database as a non-fix.

 

Not sure after this if I can prove otherwise from any VCDS print as I have one in full from the DPF sensor fix a few months back. 

TPS are down to the last one in stock. Obviously selling well!

 

[chimaera]

I pointed out on this thread a few weeks ago that the N18 actuator valve for the EGR on your car was reporting a fault at that time:

Go to your second post on that thread (with the screen grab of the VCDS scan) and look at faults 4891 and 4892. Both refer to an intermittent fault on the N18 solenoid. This is the control valve that actuates the EGR valve itself. Ask your indie to look at this before they go to the expense of replacing the EGR valve itself.

[gav_is_con]

44 minutes ago, chimaera said:

I pointed out on this thread a few weeks ago that the N18 actuator valve for the EGR on your car was reporting a fault at that time:

Go to your second post on that thread (with the screen grab of the VCDS scan) and look at faults 4891 and 4892. Both refer to an intermittent fault on the N18 solenoid. This is the control valve that actuates the EGR valve itself. Ask your indie to look at this before they go to the expense of replacing the EGR valve itself.

Thanks @chimaera

 

i never thought to link the faults from before with this occurence as I had the all clear. Done a few thousand motorway miles,  experienced my first regen having done a few local trips of late last week. Even this morning it felt like it was doing one, revs high fans on. 

 

As as per the norm they will run a diag on it before deciding the issue. I hate it when it's known issues, but no complaints of misdiagnosis either. 

[gav_is_con]

17 hours ago, gav_is_con said:

Thanks @chimaera

 

i never thought to link the faults from before with this occurence as I had the all clear. Done a few thousand motorway miles,  experienced my first regen having done a few local trips of late last week. Even this morning it felt like it was doing one, revs high fans on. 

 

As as per the norm they will run a diag on it before deciding the issue. I hate it when it's known issues, but no complaints of misdiagnosis either. 

Had the dreaded call the fault is indeed with the EGR and the EGR and cooler is one unit. Looking at a large bill as it's lots of parts to come off £865 is the current figure. 

As it's an independent, I get 2 year Guarantee on Parts and Labour backed up to the Skoda franchise, if needed to claim. 

 

No real nice way to put it. Totally gutted. Having a massive run of bad luck. 

 

Wifes Golf was smashed into the central reservation a couple of weeks back. Been parked on the drive and today been told it's a write off. However trying to track down the responsible party who are Irish/Bulgarian articulated lorry is proving a challenge for Aviva. Looks like an at fault claim when they pay out for the car shortly. 

 

My trusty Octy 1.9 is keeping the kids taxi service going at present. 

[Solarstorm]

I had the EGR cooler replaced last week; cooler itself was about £300 with 5 hours of labour and a few other parts (o rings, coolant etc.); total of £725

All official parts with 2 year guarantee

 

Might be able to squeeze the price down a bit from your garage

 

I'd check that it's the latest revision of the EGR cooler as well; there was a bad batch which had to be recalled; which caused supply issues - was originally quoted a 2-3 month wait on the part as a result

[gav_is_con]

4 minutes ago, Solarstorm said:

I had the EGR cooler replaced last week; cooler itself was about £300 with 5 hours of labour and a few other parts (o rings, coolant etc.); total of £725

All official parts with 2 year guarantee

 

Might be able to squeeze the price down a bit from your garage

 

I'd check that it's the latest revision of the EGR cooler as well; there was a bad batch which had to be recalled; which caused supply issues - was originally quoted a 2-3 month wait on the part as a result

Was that independent replacement rather than franchise?  

Suspect my diagnostic cost has been included too. After spending this much a few more quid barely noticeable, I did quote the TPS price of just over £300 for the EGR part , but was told more stuff was needed gaskets and coolant and the like.  We are close but you got a good deal, there 

 

Any more information about the part as it will likely be fitted tomorrow?

[Solarstorm]

Yup independent

 

I don't have specific part numbers I'm afraid; only what the garage had told me:

• Previous batch had some sort of flaw which meant they were failing soon after fitting (they had this happen to customer's cars)
• The main dealers were getting first priority of the new batch of parts as a back order had built up
• New part was a revised design compared to what was originally fitted (to my 61 plate), so should be more reliable

Garage managed to source an EGR cooler from a nearby franchised VW dealer within 2 weeks luckily, so avoided a long wait

[gav_is_con]

19 minutes ago, Solarstorm said:

Yup independent

 

I don't have specific part numbers I'm afraid; only what the garage had told me:

• Previous batch had some sort of flaw which meant they were failing soon after fitting (they had this happen to customer's cars)
• The main dealers were getting first priority of the new batch of parts as a back order had built up
• New part was a revised design compared to what was originally fitted (to my 61 plate), so should be more reliable

Garage managed to source an EGR cooler from a nearby franchised VW dealer within 2 weeks luckily, so avoided a long wait

Thanks @Solarstorm have messaged the indie regarding price and parts. Even with the warranty backed up by main dealers for 2 years it's too much hassle to be without the car again once fixed because of a duff part. 

[gav_is_con]

Called Skods CS today. Trying to get some goodwill for the EGR. She recorded the case but directed me to the dealer. 

The car has been out of franchise since 40k service and back at 90k. However fully documented and done at 10k regardless. 

 

Does anyone think there is a hope of getting anything at all from my dealer who did have the car Friday for service and I have been a customer of Skoda and VAG for over 8 years?

 

Bearing in mind the web is awash with stories of goodwill and also the car is at a VAG specialist...

[gav_is_con]

15 hours ago, Solarstorm said:

I had the EGR cooler replaced last week; cooler itself was about £300 with 5 hours of labour and a few other parts (o rings, coolant etc.); total of £725

All official parts with 2 year guarantee

 

Might be able to squeeze the price down a bit from your garage

 

I'd check that it's the latest revision of the EGR cooler as well; there was a bad batch which had to be recalled; which caused supply issues - was originally quoted a 2-3 month wait on the part as a result

PM sent @Solarstorm if you can help. 

[silver1011]

Any reason why you aren't considering having the EGR removed completely?

 

Skoda UK have really clamped down on goodwill of late. Now the brand is going from strength to strength they don't need loyalty as much anymore.

[gav_is_con]

1 minute ago, silver1011 said:

Any reason why you aren't considering having the EGR removed completely?

 

Skoda UK have really clamped down on goodwill of late. Now the brand is going from strength to strength they don't need loyalty as much anymore.

Prefer not to mess about with the car. This is unknown territory to me. Gutting DPFs and removing EGRs as much as I read here,  is not a walk into local place and get it fixed solution. I may live to regret that decision the next time it dies. Other than hoping for some contribution I am not expecting too much. A car that is not standard when something goes wrong you can not find someone willing to fix any issues, as only the person who mapped it or gutted it knows about how it runs. Having a car off the road for a week is quite painful and all the more when one other has just been written off too. 

[silver1011]

Fair enough, for me an £800 bill would be enough to warrant the risk. EGR removal is actually a pretty simple process and of course very easily reversible if the need arose.

 

My Superb is also a 2011 model but with 120,000 miles. A replacement EGR would constitute 15% of the cars total value, not a decision to take lightly.

 

Each to their own though, hopefully you get some help to bring to cost down.

[gav_is_con]

5 minutes ago, silver1011 said:

Fair enough, for me an £800 bill would be enough to warrant the risk. EGR removal is actually a pretty simple process and of course very easily reversible if the need arose.

 

My Superb is also a 2011 model but with 120,000 miles. A replacement EGR would constitute 15% of the cars total value, not a decision to take lightly.

 

Each to their own though, hopefully you get some help to bring to cost down.

You are way past my mileage but remember car is new to me. Also documented your driving and try to implement the style once a week high revs. Otherwise never had to drive like that in the past, the old PD has plenty of low down torque. Maybe the damage had been done on mine based on the local journeys the previous owner started to do as he caught the train. 

If it sees me to another 100-130k without issues I will be happy. 

 

Also so a few more people with trusted EGR deletes could help with any decisions. 

 

What still bothers me is the temperature needle. I feel that not hitting 90 is a problem and may well contribute to the car not running correctly,  even though I do 72mph on the motorway. Could this cause failures if the car not hot enough? 

[chimaera]

A temperature needle that is not reading at temperature is absolutely a problem. It more than likely points to a failed thermostat meaning the engine never reaches its correct operating temperature. This will cause extra wear on the mechanical parts as well as problems with EGR, cat and DPF as these systems depend on the engine running at normal temperature to function properly.

[gav_is_con]

42 minutes ago, chimaera said:

A temperature needle that is not reading at temperature is absolutely a problem. It more than likely points to a failed thermostat meaning the engine never reaches its correct operating temperature. This will cause extra wear on the mechanical parts as well as problems with EGR, cat and DPF as these systems depend on the engine running at normal temperature to function properly.

As it's a DSG most people suggest the gearbox temperature sensor be changed first. Looking at other posts seems like a cheap £20 part and easy DIY fit. Note car does not do it all the time. Based on every other vag car i have owned non CR engine 90 on the needle is the norm and achieved within 10 miles most days as I am a motorway driver. @silver1011 is possibly the closest person to compare with as we do similar miles 

[chimaera]

The temperature gauge on VAG cars will read 90 at temperatures from about 75 to 105 *C due to the way it's programmed. If it's not getting up there, the engine's probably not getting past 60-70 *C. If you enable the oil temperature readout in the Maxidot menu what does it show when you're running normally?

[gav_is_con]

1 minute ago, chimaera said:

The temperature gauge on VAG cars will read 90 at temperatures from about 75 to 105 *C due to the way it's programmed. If it's not getting up there, the engine's probably not getting past 60-70 *C. If you enable the oil temperature readout in the Maxidot menu what does it show when you're running normally?

Maybe it's my car thing. I will review the maxidot temp as that's already available. Sorry not driven for a week. I am usually an instant MPG geek. 

 

The question is what's acceptable after x amount of time and miles temperature wise on a car like mine. 

[chimaera]

When the car's up to temperature the oil should be around 90-100 *C. It'll more or less track actual coolant temperature.

[gav_is_con]

3 minutes ago, chimaera said:

When the car's up to temperature the oil should be around 90-100 *C. It'll more or less track actual coolant temperature.

Will see how it looks post EGR. Can't afford any more garage trips so if I can DIY this DSG temp sensor I will try it after posting more information. Thanks 

[chimaera]

Get the garage doing the EGR to do a diagnosis at least - if they're any way decent they'll throw it in when you're paying them for 6 hours labour on an EGR swap.

[gav_is_con]

I asked them to look at temperature sensor. After they dropped the bombshell the Turbo is gone and that's over 1k to do. Now I am lost for words. 

[gav_is_con]

Been calling around and AET will recon for £350+Vat max could be less, including picking up and returning unit from Bham. 

That reduces the cost by £300 in total. So worth a shot. Still another £800 ontop of the EGR cost. 

[chimaera]

Be really careful with reconditioned turbos. These are often cheap for a reason. Do your due diligence on the supplier before parting with cash.