Says Continental  -

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1111981_new-engine-development-at-german-makers-to-end-by-2025-says-supplier

Is this because they can't cheat anymore?

18 minutes ago, Sad555 said:

Is this because they can't cheat anymore?

No, an electric motor is cheap in comparison .

Yep, Electric motors are not expensive, they are low maintenance and, as they have very few moving parts, very reliable.  You can save on further maintenance costs with proper regerative breaking, which reduces break wear, have smaller motors on each wheel, so there is no need for prop shafts or many greasy mechanical bits.

They also don't need much money on development as variations have been used on trains, generators and even scalextrixc and toy trains for years.   

The variables would be the control systems and the type of motors (AC or brushless DC)

 

 

The major cost is the batteries, which are also the most fallible part. 

not expensive..............at the moment they appear to have about a 5 year life span,which loses charge capacity from day 1 and goes on dropping after every charge and $ 25000 replacement cost after 5 years

5 hours ago, Sad555 said:

not expensive..............at the moment they appear to have about a 5 year life span,which loses charge capacity from day 1 and goes on dropping after every charge and $ 25000 replacement cost after 5 years

Wrong!

Batteries are proving to be longer living then initially suggested by detractors.......and even then perfectly suitable for retirement via your home storage system as they still have around 70% capacity.

OEM costs are falling significantly as production ramps up and lithium is likely to be joined by other cheaper options being developed in laboratories.

There are plenty of Toyota hybrid taxis with 10 year old batteries running around Melbourne.

Dealerships hate the thought of the rivers of gold from servicing drying up.

There are other aspects in regards to the expense on battery cars apart from high cost of battery replacements,I'm not suggesting they will never be viable but it's early days and will be some time before most motorists can afford it as first choice 

 

Edited 25 August, 20178 yr by Sad555

Don't be an early adopter 

After looking at topics on this site for some time I've become very sceptical about the VAG warranty of doing everything possible to avoid warranty work,blaming the customer and just denying responsibility (excessive oil use in petrol engines and egr/DPF  failures)to name just a few and to treat customers with contempt but company's like Toyota appear to be more customer focused offering better/longer warranty s.

The Germans are heavily involved in the engineering of Hyundai/KIA.

And people in the Czech Republic heavily involved with building them, so that will be very like Skoda just without the parent company  Management & Board being deaf dumb and blind.

http://hyundai-motor.cz/english.php 

Edited 25 August, 20178 yr by Awayoffski

I still chuckle at all the press / govt pushing EV.

 

Problem - If you live in a big city street with only on street parking and live on the 1st floor of a converted victorian house - How do you charge it ?   ( p.s there are only a limited number of lamp posts & you would have to be the 1st next to it    )

 

The government record on transport advice is very questionable

- Buy diesel as Petrol is bad despite them being warned at the time about NOX emissions from Diesel,

- Lets have £20 VED on Hybrids / low emission cars to encourage switching without thinking that there will come a point where VED revenue will drop through the floor & suddnely these cars are now £140 ( this will go up annually).

Only full EV will not pay VED - Unless the car is over £40K - Isn't this a repeat of £20 fiasco as a majority will be below £40K most likely by 2040 the combustion engine ban ?

 

No one is saying what the actual solutions are , how long they will take to implement and how much the motorist will have to stump up.( another tax from a bright spark on car ownership maybe ? )

 

 

24 minutes ago, lfc958 said:

I still chuckle at all the press / govt pushing EV.

 

Problem - If you live in a big city street with only on street parking and live on the 1st floor of a converted victorian house - How do you charge it ?   ( p.s there are only a limited number of lamp posts & you would have to be the 1st next to it    )

 

The government record on transport advice is very questionable

- Buy diesel as Petrol is bad despite them being warned at the time about NOX emissions from Diesel,

- Lets have £20 VED on Hybrids / low emission cars to encourage switching without thinking that there will come a point where VED revenue will drop through the floor & suddnely these cars are now £140 ( this will go up annually).

Only full EV will not pay VED - Unless the car is over £40K - Isn't this a repeat of £20 fiasco as a majority will be below £40K most likely by 2040 the combustion engine ban ?

 

No one is saying what the actual solutions are , how long they will take to implement and how much the motorist will have to stump up.( another tax from a bright spark on car ownership maybe ? )

 

 

 

For people like you Steve then the only answer will be either destination charging (shopping centres, hotels etc) or by using a supercharging network of chargers, neither of which are ideal but do make it possible.

Some employers (not many I admit) already offer EV charging for their employees.

 

One thing you can guarantee is that by 2040 all EV’s will pay VED, even the government have admitted this as they cannot afford to lose the revenue, but by then an EV should cost no more than an ICE to buy so incentives will not be needed to convert owners.

 

The vast majority of the press either have no idea at all about EV’s or they are just either scaremongering or worse still publishing lies... I know this is hard to believe, a journalist lying  after all why let the truth get in the way of a good story 

 

The latest one being that whilst charging your EV at home on a 11KW charger you will not be able to boil a kettle without everything tripping out, whilst this is true, they fail to tell you that this is the reason domestic household EV chargers are 7KW and not 11KW!

Many homes will have a 7KW electric shower and they have non of these issues!

 

It is clear that most of the rumours and reports including the magic words of “could” and “may”  throughout them, just like an ICE may ‘blow up’ up if you completely fill it with oil  the key is education so you do not do something stupid.

 

Robert Llewellyn has a series of very informative EV youtube videos: 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Gizmo said:

 

For people like you Steve then the only answer will be either destination charging (shopping centres, hotels etc) or by using a supercharging network of chargers, neither of which are ideal but do make it possible.

Some employers (not many I admit) already offer EV charging for their employees.

 

One thing you can guarantee is that by 2040 all EV’s will pay VED, even the government have admitted this as they cannot afford to lose the revenue, but by then an EV should cost no more than an ICE to buy so incentives will not be needed to convert owners.

 

The vast majority of the press either have no idea at all about EV’s or they are just either scaremongering or worse still publishing lies... I know this is hard to believe, a journalist lying  after all why let the truth get in the way of a good story 

 

The latest one being that whilst charging your EV at home on a 11KW charger you will not be able to boil a kettle without everything tripping out, whilst this is true, they fail to tell you that this is the reason domestic household EV chargers are 7KW and not 11KW!

Many homes will have a 7KW electric shower and they have non of these issues!

 

It is clear that most of the rumours and reports including the magic words of “could” and “may”  throughout them, just like an ICE may ‘blow up’ up if you completely fill it with oil  the key is education so you do not do something stupid.

 

 

 

 

 

 

By the time I can afford an EV my driving licence will have well expired, by 2040 will be over 80, there will be a plethora of self drive cars along with the ever increasing numbers of cars already crammed onto UK roads making it impossible to do NSL on any road,  even now there are very few motorways where you can do NSL ( I am sure you see this better than me doing your job). Oh and not forgetting the standard of driving where it is becoming necessary to have dashcams.

P.S So we look for the same VED trick in 20xx ( guess the last 2 numbers)

 

All it needs if for another current EU country to follow us and it will shake other manufacturers to say the same date of 2025 stopping fossil fuel engine development. as someone will want to be 2nd to produce all EV range ( Tesla have won that race   ) .