Love this car only done 15000 miles and 25 months old, much of it towing a an Eriba 530 gt.

Great for carrying 2 bikes ( road and mtb) with seats removed. Everything works, love the dsg box.....but do I keep it past its warranty? 

What the hell do I replace it with?  

Has anyone racked up serious miles with the dsg box?

Pete

There are 2 types of DSG box the wet and dry clutch.  One needs fluid changed every 4 years, the other is in theory sealed for life (although many recommend a change after certain number of miles).

 

the 2 litre 4x4 box is usually reliable ( but remember to change the fluid after 4 years, maybe 3 years if you tow a large proportion of the time).

 

I would keep it, there is no obvious successor, if you change it for a new Skoda buy the 5 year warranty option as part of initial purchase, you cannot buy it afterwards (the extension available to buy later is less comprehensive).

For the Wet Clutch DSG the Manufacturers Service Schedule for the oil change is at 40,000 miles and also the filter where applicable.

No mention from the VW Group, VW, Skoda, SEAT or Audi as being @ 3 years or 4 years.

But then that might be when 40,000 miles is covered, but for some that could obviously be after 2 years.

http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/owners/servicing/what-we-check-and-why/dsg-transmission-oil-and-filter-change 

Edited 25 December, 20178 yr by AwaoffSki

Depends on your 'serious miles with the dsg box?' interpretation.

I've had my Yeti 46 months, and driven 87000 miles so far.

Just maintain as said above. Great car.

Some Yeti owners have covered 160000 miles, don't know which gear box they have.

There are reports of taxi's with the wet clutch dsg achieving 550k+ miles with no issues as long as regular oil changes are done.

 

Theoretically there is virtually no wear as the wet clutches engage as it is not friction surface to metal slipping to provide the drive between a stationary plate attached to the gearbox and the one spinning with the engine as with the dry clutch or manual clutch. It is pressure in the fluid compressed into the narrowing gap between the plates transmitting the drive force, and when they finally touch together they should be rotating at the same speed. Obviously misuse can overheat the oil and cause temporary issues such as the car automatically disengaging the clutch to protect it when perhaps taking too long to manoeuvre on a steep hill with the clutch slipping for a long time.

The vulnerable part of the wet clutch dsg was the hydraulic actuators and the electronic module which operates them. This used to regularly fail and was a £1k+ repair, or the position indicators within the gearbox so it knew which gear it was in. These have been substantially upgraded since this type of gearbox was first introduced in 2003 and it appears most of the issues have now been resolved.

 

I thought long and hard before going with my current Yeti as it is my first ever auto, and there is a lot of bad press out there about the dsg gearbox. However this all dates from around 2009 or so when the early ones were failing, and there are some vociferous people out there who hate them. I gather over 1.5m have now been made and if they were all failing it would be well known. It was a particular problem in America where they didn't understand they are an automated manual gearbox and not a torque converter one. They are used to sitting in traffic, in drive, with the hand brake applied, or to creep along with the torque converter providing slip between engine and wheels. The dry dsg can't do this for ever without wearing out, and the wet version can overheat.

 

Now dry clutch boxes are a different matter...., from what I have read they should last about 160k, or equivalent of two normal manual clutches.. if used correctly; -limiting creep in traffic with clutch slipping, not holding on a hill with the clutch, racing starts etc. (My son bought the ford dsg version recently called a powershift; the selling dealer had to replace the clutch pack on this 20k mile car as it was slipping in second due to wear. Probably used around an urban area all the time with no attention to minimising wear)

Edited 27 December, 20178 yr by kenfowler3966

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On 25/12/2017 at 16:04, edencampers said:

Has anyone racked up serious miles with the dsg box?

 

I'm at 159,000+ miles with a dsg box over 69 months, and so far trouble-free.

 

Given your average mileage, I'd recommend you retain yours for more enjoyable miles until such time as you identify a worthy successor.

Edited 27 December, 20178 yr by Arkaig

Thanks for all the comments, all are really helpful, I think I will bang some new tyres on it and keep it until something comes along similar to the Yeti....

Pete

Good plan IMO.

The Yeti is as good as it is going to get with Mid Sized SUV's it seems, nothing that is becoming available in the near future seems to tick the boxes that the Yeti did.

Those on the roads now and the last ones available need cherished.

Just to add some balance, our DSG lunched itself at 62,000 miles resulting in a £5k replacement. 

?

Was some Warranty Provider paying the over inflated cost of £5,000 to replace or was that actually Cash Money you paid for parts & labour & VAT?

2 hours ago, 137699 said:

Just to add some balance, our DSG lunched itself at 62,000 miles resulting in a £5k replacement. 

Was that the dry or wet dsg as rather different life expectancy?

6 hours ago, AwaoffSki said:

?

Was some Warranty Provider paying the over inflated cost of £5,000 to replace or was that actually Cash Money you paid for parts & labour & VAT?

 

That was the price quoted by the dealer (actually it was £5063 inc parts, labour & VAT.

As it was literally 8 weeks after the warranty expired we had a goodwill coverage from VAG so ended up paying approx. 1/10th of that.

 

4 hours ago, kenfowler3966 said:

Was that the dry or wet dsg as rather different life expectancy?

 

Wet 6sp DSG.

So at least paying 1/10th you got 2 years warranty on parts and labour, even though you had no need to pay a single penny of that ridiculous quoted price.

VW Group supplied a gearbox as they originally supplied a one they know was potentially faulty, and then paid the labour and materials.

 

Meeting legal requirements is not 'goodwill', it is just getting on with accepting manufacturing, design, or material / workmanship failings, 

and maybe a 3 year manufacturers warranty, but fit for purpose will be 6 years in the EU if VW want to go to court with 

their failures.

Edited 2 January, 20188 yr by AwaoffSki

What actually went wrong with the dsg so that’s it needed complete replacement?

clutch pack is much less than 5k as is the mechatronic unit?

Apparently there is a dsg specialist in the South who can repair some common faults for a few hundred pounds instead of Skoda going straight for a replacement unit?

There are around the country, some very good expert repairers.

 

But no need to accept a repair done by a Independent even a specialist when Skoda / VW know they were obliged to replace the faulty unit, 

only thing is they pulled the 'Goodwill Gesture card', and the customer is conned into contributing, where as the Job should be fully paid by Skoda UK / VW / Skoda CZ VW Group who ever is the 'Manufacturer that knows of their failings on Components / Manufacturing / Quality

Control.

 

*Nice if members tell the whole story and their part in the failure.*

Failing to have the DSG Serviced to the Manufacturers Schedule is not a manufacturing failure, 

it is the Owner / Keepers failings, and then a 'Goodwill Gesture' is maybe all you get, as a Dealership will not accept any errors of theirs.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/437767-major-failure-soon-after-haldex-and-dsg-oil-changes 

See post 4th September 2017 

Edited 3 January, 20188 yr by AwaoffSki

17 hours ago, AwaoffSki said:

So at least paying 1/10th you got 2 years warranty on parts and labour, even though you had no need to pay a single penny of that ridiculous quoted price.

VW Group supplied a gearbox as they originally supplied a one they know was potentially faulty, and then paid the labour and materials.

 

Meeting legal requirements is not 'goodwill', it is just getting on with accepting manufacturing, design, or material / workmanship failings, 

and maybe a 3 year manufacturers warranty, but fit for purpose will be 6 years in the EU if VW want to go to court with 

their failures.

 

Believe you me, I gave absolute hell to them about this - via the dealer and direct with their customer services team. And they would not budge from 90% coverage.

I was advised by them that if I wanted more then I should consult a legal professional.

 

For the sake of £550 it was not worth it. And I handed the car back at the end of the PCP a few weeks later.

2 minutes ago, 137699 said:

 with Paddleshift

 

Aha! A £550 contribution seems fair to me...

1 hour ago, AwaoffSki said:

*Nice if members tell the whole story and their part in the failure.*

Failing to have the DSG Serviced to the Manufacturers Schedule is not a manufacturing failure, 

it is the Owner / Keepers failings, and then a 'Goodwill Gesture' is maybe all you get, as a Dealership will not accept any errors of theirs.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/437767-major-failure-soon-after-haldex-and-dsg-oil-changes 

See post 4th September 2017 

 

I had NO PART in the failure.

I had a DSG equipped Yeti.

I took it to the local Skoda dealer for every scheduled service - covered nicely under the 3 year included free servicing.

The DSG failed.

1 minute ago, freedie said:

 

Aha! A £550 contribution seems fair to me...

 

Not really. I should not have had to pay a penny.

I had the car serviced by a franchised Skoda dealer it's entire life and to my knowledge they were supposed to carry out all the necessary servicing and procedures.

The DSG should not have failed.

I should not have had to pay a penny.

If I'd taken them to court that would probably have been the outcome but I simply wanted shot of the car by that point.

Yes I know. But adding paddleshift can't have helped your arguments...

137699, 

Franchised Dealership carry out servicing people pay for. Minor / Inspection, or Major, and there are not much to them or getting done.

DSG Oil Changes, Haldex & Brake Fluid, Cam Belts or Timing Chain or Water Pumps are unlikely to be part of a 'Service Plan' that many pay for.

 

If people do not read the 'Owners Manual' or ask the Secretarial Staff on Service Desks about their vehicles Service & Maintenance needs, 

schedules and guidelines then owners might well expect errors and failures.

On ‎03‎/‎01‎/‎2018 at 10:42, freedie said:

Yes I know. But adding paddleshift can't have helped your arguments...

 

That was never raised once. Paddles are simply an alternative set of switches to the manual +/- control on the gear lever itself. If the gearbox is designed for manual control then using paddles or the lever is exactly the same.

On ‎03‎/‎01‎/‎2018 at 11:06, AwaoffSki said:

137699, 

Franchised Dealership carry out servicing people pay for. Minor / Inspection, or Major, and there are not much to them or getting done.

DSG Oil Changes, Haldex & Brake Fluid, Cam Belts or Timing Chain or Water Pumps are unlikely to be part of a 'Service Plan' that many pay for.

 

If people do not read the 'Owners Manual' or ask the Secretarial Staff on Service Desks about their vehicles Service & Maintenance needs, 

schedules and guidelines then owners might well expect errors and failures.

 

The car came with 3 years free servicing. It's fair to expect that a package of FREE SERVICING includes every regular procedure needed to maintain the vehicle to manufacturer specifications.

As I am not a mechanic I chose to let the Skoda main dealer service the car and inform me of anything needed on the vehicle.

They are the experts. Not me.

If a major piece of work is needed at 40,000 miles and it's not covered in the free servicing (why would it not be? but that's another story altogether) then as the experts that I have entrusted the vehicle to, I expect them to bring this to my attention and inform me that it's needed and advise of the cost.

Not just ignore it and then 20,000 miles later the gearbox fails & I'm told it's my fault because this service was not completed, despite the car coming with 3 years free servicing and entrusted to the same supplying main dealer for every service.

 

And in any case the dealer told me that the failure of the gearbox was unlikely to have been due to the missed DSG service, but they conveniently used it as an excuse to get out of covering all costs for the full replacement.

 

If you think this is acceptable behaviour, then you're a mug.

I don't.

Neither did my solicitor who pretty much told me I had a watertight case here. However I didn't want months of legal hassle over £500, I just wanted shot of the car and to move onto my next vehicle.

 

I don not think it is acceptable. 

 I do not even consider they are experts and i do not just bend over and assume the position.  But too many do, as you have.

3 hours ago, AwaoffSki said:

 

I don not think it is acceptable. 

 ....... i do not just bend over and assume the position.  But too many do, as you have.

 

An incredibly unfair comment to make (but not unexpected from you !!).  Oh how we all aspire to be as knowledgable and perfect as you (not) !!

Edited 5 January, 20188 yr by graham47

Is your ignore button broken again.  Read the threads and keep your digs to yourself.  Maybe contribute to some with any help.

 

What is unfair, if you read the posts, all along i point out how Full Dealer Servicing and Service Plans do not mean that 

Brake Fluids, DSG or Haldex servicing might automatically be done, and is extra cost.

 

The Member posted on a DSG failure at 62,000 miles in a thread but failed to explain the circumstances.