1 minute ago, McGyles said:

I wonder if they had complaints and decided to change them because they do look like xenon dynamic lights.

 

Quite possibly.

 

Feel free to make a complaint, it would be interesting to know how they deal with it

1 minute ago, langers2k said:

 

Quite possibly.

 

Feel free to make a complaint, it would be interesting to know how they deal with it

 

I will because i realy want to hear their response.

Well, it's really your fault for not doing your due diligence. Don't trust the marketing BS, look for product codes, spec sheets and ask Skoda themselves, as some dealers are hopeless when it comes to detailed spec. You might not have had the same experience as I did but when I asked my dealer and Skoda NZ, they all said the low/main beams don't turn into corners a la Octavia/Superb.

7 minutes ago, ZacDaMan72 said:

Well, it's really your fault for not doing your due diligence

 

I'm sorry, but that's just a ridiculous thing to say. If a product is advertised as having a feature, then I think it is fair to expect that product to have that feature.

 

8 minutes ago, ZacDaMan72 said:

look for product codes, spec sheets

 

I gave you an example of the spec sheet from the UK Kodiaq configurator - it is ambiguous at best.

 

9 minutes ago, ZacDaMan72 said:

ask Skoda themselves

 

That's exactly what McGyles is saying he will do.

 

You do seem to be being a little harsh, and ignoring what is being said in this thread just to make your point. It may very well be the case that the Kodiaq doesn't have bendy headlights, but that doesn't mean Skoda haven't been advertising it as such mistakenly. I don't think for one minute that they would do that deliberately, but I know how easy it is for the technical reality of a product to be misrepresented by commercial marketing people based on misunderstanding within the organisation (it frequently happens at the large multinational telecoms company I work for). The problem is when people then buy the product and don't get what they are expecting - at best, the customer gets annoyed and buys elsewhere next time... at worst, they start launching class-action lawsuits.

6 minutes ago, ZacDaMan72 said:

Well, it's really your fault for not doing your due diligence. Don't trust the marketing BS, look for product codes, spec sheets and ask Skoda themselves, as some dealers are hopeless when it comes to detailed spec. You might not have had the same experience as I did but when I asked my dealer and Skoda NZ, they all said the low/main beams don't turn into corners a la Octavia/Superb.

 

When i ordered the car back in April 2017 (8 months waitting) there was no configurator, i had to go to czech site to even know what i can order, the dealers were new at this and didn't even know what they were selling (was promissed an alloy spare same size as on the car, upon delivery informed that this can't be mounted in the car only steel one), didn't know what type of clutch it was (wet/dry) didn't know the difference between daytime running lights and main beam (was told that ALL TRIMS come with LED beams) etc.

 

I checked all the forums (no1 had the car delivered then), all the foreign configurators (czech and german onyl availible), check their product site (which now i see is false and is a legal liability).

 

So to say that i haven't been informed about the car is false to put it mildly.

 

Aswell your statement that "don't trustu the marketing BS" is idiotic because officla Škoda site is how the manufacturer explains their product. You think the dealer isn't filling you with "marketing BS"?

44 minutes ago, ZacDaMan72 said:

Read the manual, smartass. Plus you linked me the Indian site

 

 

You still haven't explained your previous post.

 

Why does it say "static cornering lights" in the manual and "dynamic cornering light" in the infotainment or are those 2 different cars ???

 

I couldn't find any other mention of the function, and the description is fairly vague. Not sure what they're referring to by 'characteristics', as I don't really find a difference between modes. 

 

17 minutes ago, McGyles said:

 

When i ordered the car back in April 2017 (8 months waitting) there was no configurator, i had to go to czech site to even know what i can order, the dealers were new at this and didn't even know what they were selling (was promissed an alloy spare same size as on the car, upon delivery informed that this can't be mounted in the car only steel one), didn't know what type of clutch it was (wet/dry) didn't know the difference between daytime running lights and main beam (was told that ALL TRIMS come with LED beams) etc.

 

I checked all the forums (no1 had the car delivered then), all the foreign configurators (czech and german onyl availible), check their product site (which now i see is false and is a legal liability).

 

So to say that i haven't been informed about the car is false to put it mildly.

 

Aswell your statement that "don't trustu the marketing BS" is idiotic because officla Škoda site is how the manufacturer explains their product. You think the dealer isn't filling you with "marketing BS"?

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Fortunately, there was a configurator when I ordered in May but it didn't seem to reflect the spec sheet at points, and the dealers were still very much like in your experience.

 

My point about not trusting the marketing is shown by different websites showing different things, which causes heaps of confusion and this thread. Skoda NZ was advertising the Smart Light Assist on the Superb before I asked if NZ actually had it, as it wasn't shown on spec lists but was advertised on the website. They quickly replied apologising as NZ spec cars don't have it (for whatever reason). You can find a fair amount of similar disparities from other marques. 

 

Will be interested to see what Skoda CZ have to say when you contact them.

44 minutes ago, WiggosSideburns said:

I know how easy it is for the technical reality of a product to be misrepresented by commercial marketing people

If you want a perfect example of this, have a look at what SUK media put out on twitter. 

 

 

Let me stress again that i'm am TO THIS MOMENT VERY SATISFIED with the car and the LED LIGHTS ARE FANTASTIC even the AUTO SWITCH LOW/HIGH BEAM (very surprised because i was sceptical, didn't have an oportunity of a test drive in the dark before i ordered).

 

I phoned my Škoda dealer and he said that quote "LED AFS have a static bend light, but the offered lighting conditions are the same as with the dynamic with xenon on the Superb, so the presentation on the slides is correct", he added that "most of the LED system have static light control, only xenons and some LED systems have dynamic modules" and that "moving parts brake faster than static parts". He also added that "the future is LED and LASER" and that "we are starting to see less and less of xenon", refering to mostly Audi MATRIX LED, on which this system is based (though not as complicated and extensive as on the Audi). He also added that "VW with the dynamic LED has combined moving lights and LED" and added in a joke "but the technology will be handed  down to Škoda after testing from the VW owners".

 

The dealer here has Škoda, SEAT, VW, Audi and Porsche dealerships on 2 different locations and promotes their employes accordingly (they start at Škoda, SEAT and VW and with hard work they move up to Audi and Porsche so you get alot of good deals with them because they have a good incentive to sell more cars).

 

I tried the lights again in the garage and you can notice at low speeds the shift of light pattern, but it's less dramatic than seen on the videos of dynamic xenon lights, but was told from the dealer that "the dynamic xenon lights only register the input of the steering wheel angle, where as the static AFS LED lights count in the speed aswell and adjust the bend lighting for the best affect in combination with light cone adjustment".

 

Now i know they aren't tehnicians or engineers and that this might be a marketing gig so i have a suggestion:

 

If anyone has access to a Kodiaq with AFS LED and a Superb with dynamic xenon or a VW with dynamic LED, they should make a video driving at night on the same road with both (or all 3) system so we can see what the difference is, because it's always nice to know when a dealer is lying to you so you can have a leverage over him the next time you need him.

Been watching this:

 

 

Is it just me or the only good thing of the "partial high-beam" is that you illuminate the tops of the trees ??

 

When it goes to low-beam you have the same illumination just lower on the side, because it stays low-beam on the road due to the car, it isn't like the MATRIX LED which illuminates the road arround the car. Or is that just me and more light on the tree-tops is what we need for greater road safety?

1 hour ago, McGyles said:

Been watching this:

 

There's a side-to-side wiggle at about 20-21 seconds during what looks like the startup check sequence! So is this the same LED system as on the Kodiaq, or a different one?

37 minutes ago, WiggosSideburns said:

There's a side-to-side wiggle at about 20-21 seconds during what looks like the startup check sequence! So is this the same LED system as on the Kodiaq, or a different one?

 

The video is showing bi-xenons with DLA, so a very different system to the Kodiaq.

 

2 hours ago, McGyles said:

Is it just me or the only good thing of the "partial high-beam" is that you illuminate the tops of the trees ??

 

When it goes to low-beam you have the same illumination just lower on the side, because it stays low-beam on the road due to the car, it isn't like the MATRIX LED which illuminates the road arround the car. Or is that just me and more light on the tree-tops is what we need for greater road safety?

 

I think the camera is struggling with the dynamic range, it's hard to make a judgement about how bright and where the light actually is with the other car in view. In theory, both bi-xenons with DLA and matrix LEDs should have similar beam patterns when there is a single car approaching.

 

That will change then there are multiple targets which is where matrix LEDs should shine

22 minutes ago, langers2k said:

The video is showing bi-xenons with DLA, so a very different system to the Kodiaq.

 

Ahh, stupid me... I forgot the most recent Golf with LED lights is Mk7.5, not Mk7.

@McGyles did you get a response from Skoda? It looks like the general consensus is that Skoda's LED headlights aren't able to move side-to-side, only up and down.

According to the December 2018 Kodiaq price list, SE L and above models have "Full LED headlights with adaptive front light system and LED daytime running lights". My understanding is that the LED headlights adjust the width and length of their beam depending on speed so that they 'stretch out' as you drive faster. It's not obvious whether they corner with steering wheel movements like the Dynamic Light Assist Xenon's do on my VW Golf SV.

 

There is then a " High Beam Assist" option for SE L, Scout and Sportline trims (for £205), which is standard for Edition, L&K and vRS trims. This is the option that blocks part of the main beam when it detects another car that could be dazzled. Again this is included in my VW Dynamic Light Assist option. and works very well. I use it regularly and never get flashed by oncoming drivers, and love the way it lights up the verges either side of vehicles in front of me. 

 

1 hour ago, CJJE said:

...the LED headlights adjust the width and length of their beam depending on speed so that they 'stretch out' as you drive faster. It's not obvious whether they corner with steering wheel movements

 

The consensus is that this is done via adjusting the lens in front of the LED. The lens moves back and forth, but not left and right (or side-to-side).

 

1 hour ago, CJJE said:

This is the option that blocks part of the main beam when it detects another car that could be dazzled

 

Are you sure? I thought on the Kodiaq it simply turned main beam on and off. It isn't like the headlights from other manufacturers with multiple LED's where some turn on and off in different patterns / arrangements.

1 hour ago, silver1011 said:

Are you sure? I thought on the Kodiaq it simply turned main beam on and off. It isn't like the headlights from other manufacturers with multiple LED's where some turn on and off in different patterns / arrangements.

 

From page 28 of the November 2018 Kodiaq brochure - where it is illustrating how the High Beam Assist works on an Edition trim - it certainly shows the high beam being masked from a vehicle in the next lane. Perhaps it uses a movable mask like my xenons do?

 

But I don't have a Kodiaq (yet) and I'm just seeking to buy a new car that replicates the technology I've already got used to on my Golf SV! So if we're saying here that the Kodiaq isn't as good, then it looks like I'll be sticking with VW and buying a Tiguan instead :(

 

Chris

Edited 14 January, 20197 yr by CJJE

However, having now discovered this website, describing the Skoda Assistance Systems - http://assistants.skoda-auto.com/?bid=004#kodiaq - I'm thinking you are right and all it does is switch between dip and main beam! (See the last section of this interactive web page). What a disappointment :(

 

Chris

I too had hoped the LED headlights fitted to the Kodiaq would offer all the features that previous xenon and bi-xenon equipped Skoda's enjoy. Alas, it seems not.

 

LED equipped Kodiaq's with and without High Beam Assist (HBA) get the same headlights, the addition of the HBA option is limited to coding only in its operation.

 

As with a lot of Skoda UK's literature, it can be misleading. Assuming the last sentence is referring to HBA, their use of the word 'adjusts' is some way away from turning 'on' and 'off'...

 

 

It has to be said though, I do find the Kodiaq's LED headlights and LED cornering fog lights very, very good.

I too can’t see what all the fuss is about, my Kodiaq LED headlights and LED cornering fogs lights are as  good if not  better than the AFS bendy Bi Xenon lights on my previous Yeti.

Edited 15 January, 20197 yr by Kenny R

On 14/01/2019 at 18:52, CJJE said:

According to the December 2018 Kodiaq price list, SE L and above models have "Full LED headlights with adaptive front light system and LED daytime running lights". My understanding is that the LED headlights adjust the width and length of their beam depending on speed so that they 'stretch out' as you drive faster. It's not obvious whether they corner with steering wheel movements like the Dynamic Light Assist Xenon's do on my VW Golf SV.

 

There is then a " High Beam Assist" option for SE L, Scout and Sportline trims (for £205), which is standard for Edition, L&K and vRS trims. This is the option that blocks part of the main beam when it detects another car that could be dazzled. Again this is included in my VW Dynamic Light Assist option. and works very well. I use it regularly and never get flashed by oncoming drivers, and love the way it lights up the verges either side of vehicles in front of me. 

 

Sadly not - just picked my car up and thought I'd head out once it got dark to see how good the lights are and they are indeed very good, but the "High Beam Assist" does not block part of the main beam, it just turns the high beam off automatically if it detects another car.  This is the same as I had on my Land Rover Discovery Sport that I traded in today, however I would say that the Skoda system is much, much better.  The LR version would often ignore other cars and it would even "flash" other road users as it selected the high beam ON-OFF-ON-OFF when someone is coming towards you - it was rubbish!

 

In comparison to the "Intelligent LED Headlights" on my wife's 2015 Mercedes C220, they Skoda system is not as good, as the Merc system does indeed move the lights around side to side and can have one light on high beam and the other not.  The effect is that it tries to draw a dark box around other cars and it very rarely gets caught out.  It can't really deal with cars sitting side on at a T junction, but mostly you can just leave it on high beam all the time and the car will sort the lights out for you to give you the best light along the road without dazzling other road users.  It really is fantastic, so a little disappointed the Skoda system isn't quite the same, but the lights are overall very good.

Edited 19 January, 20197 yr by Scratch113
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I was about to post a v similar question to this...v keen on High Beam Assist, to have same as current car (BMW 330d) but when I talk to garages with EDITIION models most of them say it doesn’t have it...though I had thought it was standard equipment.  Only one garage/ one car says it has it, so very very confused, and literature is not helpful.  How might I be able to confirm what the dealers themselves dont know?  Advice much appreciated as dont want to go & buy a BMW x1 just for this feature!

4 minutes ago, RossKH said:

I was about to post a v similar question to this...v keen on High Beam Assist, to have same as current car (BMW 330d) but when I talk to garages with EDITIION models most of them say it doesn’t have it...though I had thought it was standard equipment.  Only one garage/ one car says it has it, so very very confused, and literature is not helpful.  How might I be able to confirm what the dealers themselves dont know?  Advice much appreciated as dont want to go & buy a BMW x1 just for this feature!

Sorry - meant to put this on the Karoq page

You do know you can download the brochure / spec list from the Skoda website, no?

 

According to that... “Auto light assist including automatic high beam lights, auto dimming rear view mirror and light and rain assist.” is standard on the Scout only, and a £200 option on the Edition (and other specs).

 

It is standard on the Kodiaq Edition, however.

 

Found this in the manuals that silver 1011 posted in the guides section, and it clearly shows the 2 static LED’s that provide the “light bending “

 

Edited 21 January, 20197 yr by Kenny R