Just wondered if anyone on Brisky had a Ghost immobiliser? Seems a superb bit of kit.

 

A friend had one on an RS. 

 

It was brilliant tbf. Couldnt set off in a hurry mind without fiddling with buttons   

 

should stop the keyless troubles as it cant be started even with the fob. 

 

You just hope thats enough to put them off and not enter the house. 

Is it a 'visible' deterrent or is it hidden? If the thieves cannot see it then they would still want the keys and when it would not start they may 'ask' persuasively for the start-up code.

 

My 1998 Citroen Zantia had an imobiliser keypad near the gear stick. I thought that it was a great idea but it was dropped from the facelift models as, I understand, people did not like it.

Edited 18 March, 20188 yr by Liger1956

43 minutes ago, Liger1956 said:

Is it a 'visible' deterrent or is it hidden? If the thieves cannot see it then they would still want the keys and when it would not start they may 'ask' persuasively for the start-up code.

 

My 1998 Citroen Zantia had an imobiliser keypad near the gear stick. I thought that it was a great idea but it was dropped from the facelift models as, I understand, people did not like it.

 

Invisible. 

 

If you press the start button even with the key close by, it doesnt do anything. 

 

You have to press 4 buttons in a certain order before it will start. This could be any dash buttons, window buttons, whatever its programmed to

If car crime around here is indicative of around the country, you would be better off with a hidden/monitored tracking device. There are increasing reports in the local media of thieves waking, threatening and wounding owners in their homes when the thieves have been unable to start the car, or locate the keys. 

 

I fulfill my insurance obligation by having the house and car keys out of reach and view from the front and back doors, but reasonably easy to find once in the property. 

 

I have a very low level tracking device installed on my vehicle. If it was located and removed by a thief, I receive an alert and then inform the Laughing Stock that is Police Scotland. 

I've read a lot of hype over this (on social media mainly) but I dont get it to be honest. I can see it maybe has a use with keyless cars but other than that I dont see it being the answer to everyones car theft problems.

 

The system means the car doesn't start without the code being put in. If the people trying to nick the car are particularly nasty they'll pop upstairs and get the code from the owner or take them down to start the car. If I simply put the car key under my mattress it has the same result, they will need to come upstairs and wake me up to get the car started. 

 

Same outcome, unless there's an angle I'm missing. 

3 minutes ago, XLBaconDoubleCheese said:

I've read a lot of hype over this (on social media mainly) but I dont get it to be honest. I can see it maybe has a use with keyless cars but other than that I dont see it being the answer to everyones car theft problems.

 

The system means the car doesn't start without the code being put in. If the people trying to nick the car are particularly nasty they'll pop upstairs and get the code from the owner or take them down to start the car. If I simply put the car key under my mattress it has the same result, they will need to come upstairs and wake me up to get the car started. 

 

Same outcome, unless there's an angle I'm missing. 

 

mainly keyless i think mate. 

 

They're taking cars off the drive (particularly hot hatches, BMW's etc) without the keys. Just driving off. 

 

You sort of hope that they're just planning on doing that and being unprepared or willing to go into the property. Hoping its easier for them to just shut the door and go... try another. 

The way I look at it, if the scummers break in and take my keys, I want them out the house and if they then spend a minute opening the car, climbing in, removing my disclock and finally starting the car, then it buys me a minute to ring police and/or climb out of window and/or run outside and flee and/or jump into my Vitara and do a runner. Anything that placates the low-lifes is good for me and if they then take a couple beats while they try and restart the car etc, it's all time I can do something. I want them out of the house and at least happy that they think they have got what they need. I believe the options are worse. 

is this not the same as the ones that were around in the early 90's that had a button hidden somewhere under the carpet near the centre console?  Get in turn key press hidden button and start...

2 hours ago, Lady Elanore said:

The way I look at it, if the scummers break in and take my keys, I want them out the house and if they then spend a minute opening the car, climbing in, removing my disclock and finally starting the car, then it buys me a minute to ring police and/or climb out of window and/or run outside and flee and/or jump into my Vitara and do a runner. Anything that placates the low-lifes is good for me and if they then take a couple beats while they try and restart the car etc, it's all time I can do something. I want them out of the house and at least happy that they think they have got what they need. I believe the options are worse. 

 

depends how you look at it. 

 

If they'd of normally taken your car off the drive without bothering you but the ghost imob makes them break into your house, storm into your bedroom or harm your kids in the process, then its a bad thing. Just let em have it, its not worth it. 

 

Theres different ways of looking at it. 

 

IF you're leaving the car away from your house for a night, its certainly a good thing.. they've nobody to chase... 

because of my personal circumstances i think an immobiliser of the quality of the Ghost is virtually an essential bit of kit. Haven't seen anything I prefer more than the Ghost yet.

Just leave this on your seat when you lock your vehicle. 

 

 

21 hours ago, Liger1956 said:

Is it a 'visible' deterrent or is it hidden? If the thieves cannot see it then they would still want the keys and when it would not start they may 'ask' persuasively for the start-up code.

 

My 1998 Citroen Zantia had an imobiliser keypad near the gear stick. I thought that it was a great idea but it was dropped from the facelift models as, I understand, people did not like it.

1. It's Xantia, not "Zantia"
2. A 1998 car was post facelift.

12 hours ago, fabiamk2SE said:

 

depends how you look at it. 

 

If they'd of normally taken your car off the drive without bothering you but the ghost imob makes them break into your house, storm into your bedroom or harm your kids in the process, then its a bad thing. Just let em have it, its not worth it. 

 

Theres different ways of looking at it. 

 

IF you're leaving the car away from your house for a night, its certainly a good thing.. they've nobody to chase... 

 

11 hours ago, Lady Elanore said:

because of my personal circumstances i think an immobiliser of the quality of the Ghost is virtually an essential bit of kit. Haven't seen anything I prefer more than the Ghost yet.

 

Thats how I was looking at it but as Elanore says, it will depend on personal circumstances I guess. Given the trend of thefts of both quick cars & interior parts from BMWs I'll certainly be bulking the security up, but for my situation I dont think the Ghost will be included. That said, I've never heard a single bad thing said about it, so if it fits with what you want then go for it. 

I currently have 'Comfort Access' on my M135 and of late have used improvised Faraday cages to shield RF hunters. It made me realise that I want to hang on to my car and even though I don't wont thieves in the house looking for keys, I guess my main thoughts must be to make it hard for them in the first place. My neighbours on both sides have noisy dogs (grrrrrr) but hopefully they offer a small sliver of protection for me with their incessant barking at anything that moves near our houses.  Who knows?

 

There is a good demonstration of thieves trying to take a BMW with a Ghost on You Tube. they bust in the house, grab keys, flee to car jump in and fail to get ht car to drive. They obviously have a huge amount of Adrenalin flowing and they realise that they cant hang around any more and do a runner. 

 

Until I get one, it will be the good old Disklock for me

 

 

10 hours ago, KenONeill said:

1. It's Xantia, not "Zantia"
2. A 1998 car was post facelift.

1. I can spell Xantia but the auto correct on my phone can't.

2. It was one of the last pre facelifts which I owned for 14 trouble free years.

11 hours ago, Liger1956 said:

1. I can spell Xantia but the auto correct on my phone can't.

2. It was one of the last pre facelifts which I owned for 14 trouble free years.

1. And yet "Zantia" still comes up as an error on my speel-chucker!
2. My 1997 Xantia was post facelift; if you had a '98 registration that was pre-facelift it had sat in a compound someplace for at least 2 years.

On ‎19‎/‎03‎/‎2018 at 11:46, Lady Elanore said:

I currently have 'Comfort Access' on my M135 and of late have used improvised Faraday cages to shield RF hunters.

 

 

 

As I understand the thief needs to have a signal between car and keys to intercept the signal and hijack it. A simple solution (apart from the RF shields) would be that you could turn the keys off. (with a switch). 

2 hours ago, io1901 said:

 

 

As I understand the thief needs to have a signal between car and keys to intercept the signal and hijack it. A simple solution (apart from the RF shields) would be that you could turn the keys off. (with a switch). 

 

I've got a simpler solution. 

 

Have a key with a blade.. like on a door.. which fits into a barrel, with a chip in which could match the chip in the car, which could then turns the barrel in order to start the car. 

50 minutes ago, fabiamk2SE said:

 

I've got a simpler solution. 

 

Have a key with a blade.. like on a door.. which fits into a barrel, with a chip in which could match the chip in the car, which could then turns the barrel in order to start the car. 

How ever did you think of that? Don't let the car manufacturers hear that as they'll be wanting to charge for the security feature.

 

 

25 minutes ago, io1901 said:

How ever did you think of that? Don't let the car manufacturers hear that as they'll be wanting to charge for the security feature.

 

 

 

i'd best patent it... quick! 

The RF keys just need a device to carry the signal to and from the car, once they talk to each other they can get in and then start the car. It's a bit like holding up two tin cans and some string between them, except with RF and some clever gear. Bacofoil is a good thing to hide spare keys in and something like a biscuit tin can be used as a Faraday cage for your main set. Crazy times eh? :(

On 3/19/2018 at 11:46, Lady Elanore said:

I currently have 'Comfort Access' on my M135 and of late have used improvised Faraday cages to shield RF hunters. It made me realise that I want to hang on to my car and even though I don't wont thieves in the house looking for keys, I guess my main thoughts must be to make it hard for them in the first place. My neighbours on both sides have noisy dogs (grrrrrr) but hopefully they offer a small sliver of protection for me with their incessant barking at anything that moves near our houses.  Who knows?

 

There is a good demonstration of thieves trying to take a BMW with a Ghost on You Tube. they bust in the house, grab keys, flee to car jump in and fail to get ht car to drive. They obviously have a huge amount of Adrenalin flowing and they realise that they cant hang around any more and do a runner. 

 

Until I get one, it will be the good old Disklock for me

 

 

 

The first thing I'd do is make sure the door locks and handles are up to scratch. Once they're sorted, the only way in will be very noisy and deffo set the dogs off. Steering wheel lock is a winner too, even just for putting people off and moving onto another car.

 

11 hours ago, Lady Elanore said:

The RF keys just need a device to carry the signal to and from the car, once they talk to each other they can get in and then start the car. It's a bit like holding up two tin cans and some string between them, except with RF and some clever gear. Bacofoil is a good thing to hide spare keys in and something like a biscuit tin can be used as a Faraday cage for your main set. Crazy times eh? :(

 

I'm sure I read somewhere you can just turn off the keyless entry? 

On 17/03/2018 at 19:11, Lady Elanore said:

Just wondered if anyone on Brisky had a Ghost immobiliser? Seems a superb bit of kit.

 

A few owners on the Golf R forum have had them fitted & are very impressed,i think you can also link it to your phone as well,im thinking of getting one fitted but i want to wait until i move house so i can upgrade the house security as well as it seems daft to me to secure the car but not the house as the longer it takes & harder it is for the scum to get into your house to rob your keys  the better it is,i personally think anything that makes it harder for the scum to rob you is better,i get what some people say about them coming back in for the code to start the car but if they are daft enough to come back into my house after robbing my keys then that going to be their problem..   any delay in them getting away is a good thing as it gives time to call the police etc. Its a shame the insurance company's dont offer a discount when these are fitted.

I read that about the phones, but I think it's only iphones at present and not Android OS phones    :(